Why do you guys think Benavidez beats Canelo?

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  • Malvado
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    #71
    Originally posted by Oracle01
    You really listed Stevens and Journey man Rosado that Lemiuex stopped? lol.

    Dirrell was shot despite being the WBC champ 35-1 and unbeaten for 6 years before David stopped him?

    COPE
    I think it is Interesting enough that Benavidez was 22 when he beat the experienced champ at his prime (34 years old). That's the equivalent of let's say a unexpericed upcoming Ryan Garcia against a Regis Prograis at his peak.

    Then a year later, he went to fight hard hitter Alexis Roamer Angulo (26-1 at the time with 22 knockouts) who came off from derailing one of Mayweather's top prospects Anthony Sims Jr who was 20 wins with 18 KOs after Angulo was coming off a competitive loss to Zurdo Ramirez, 2 years later with very low activity he gave Edgar Berlanga a run for his money having a controversial loss imo.

    Then he went to beat a slick crafty fighter in Plant (22-1 with 13 knockouts) who was a decent puncher with a 60% knockout rate but has questionable stamina, he was also having coming off beating a declined Dirrell via late knockout. When fought David, the ref was not doing his job well, allowing Caleb to deploy dirty tactics without warning such as low blows, 2 headbutts and over clinching. Despite having a considerable edge, David caught him to the body, and battered him in the later rounds. (Though he landed a headbutt of his own at the end and one low blow.) Caleb had also beaten the likes of Mike Lee, Vincent Feigenbutz and Jose Uzcategui, who were top contenders for a lackluster division. Only other fighter who beat him was Canelo in the eleventh round prior to the loss to Bivol. He also pummeled Kyrone Ellis until a 7th round stoppage, who had a split draw with the same version of Anthony Dirrell that fought Plant. Which was the reason why I thought he would beaten Caleb prior their fight.

    Andrade (32-0 with 19 KOs) a slick southpaw that had acclimated to 168 after fighting Nicholson, he was always large bodied for the divisions he fought at (154-160) standing at 6'1, according to a journalist that goes by JuliusJulianis, Demetrius rehydrated 23 pounds (190lb) which was heavier than David (17 pounds at 184 pounds). He has a lackluster resume but was well experienced with some decent opponents and was undefeated besides being a former champ. Only fighter I don't think was near at his best was when Benavidez fought David Lemiuex, but even though he had declined after some battles, he was still relatively young at 33 years old and was still a heavy hitter having beaten Max Bursak and Gary Sullivan in one round. (Who lasted in the late rounds against Munguia and Lara after his loss).

    David has beaten 4 former world champions (Lemiuex, Andrade, Dirrell and Plant), he might not have the best resume compared to most P4P fighters, but I feel like people should not look down on his current accolades. The guy is currently 26 years old and is aiming for the best that are at 168 before moving up, Errol Spence's HOF career started at 27 years old yet David is quite ahead of him. With Spence having beaten 7 champs before facing Crawford.
    Last edited by Malvado; 11-28-2023, 01:11 PM.

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    • JakeTheBoxer
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      #72
      Originally posted by j0zef
      Erm.. Bivol is a technician. He has a career 50% KO ratio. He hasn't knocked anyone out in 5 years.
      Kovalev that Canelo fought was badly damaged. He had a 2 month camp and coming off 2 KO losses. He was moving well around the ring and shooting a ton of jabs, rarely throwing a power shot.

      I don't think those are good comparisons to David. Canelo has never faced someone like Benavidez - a bigger, younger, power puncher. I'm not exaggerating - David Benavidez is unlikely any other opponent Canelo has ever had. This would be a great cinco de mayo fight if Canelo accepts it.
      Again, Bivol is a light heavy that beat all light heavies he faced. He also beat Canelo in the fight the most casuals predicted him to lose.

      Bivol also beat bigger version of Canelo Benavidez would face.

      How exactly is Benavidez more dangerous for Canelo than Bivol was is beyond me. Benavidez has a great stamina and workrate, but no defense. He is there to get countered the whole night.

      This fight will be as great as Bivol - Ramirez. With Canelo being Bivol.

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      • j0zef
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        #73
        Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer

        Again, Bivol is a light heavy that beat all light heavies he faced. He also beat Canelo in the fight the most casuals predicted him to lose.

        Bivol also beat bigger version of Canelo Benavidez would face.

        How exactly is Benavidez more dangerous for Canelo than Bivol was is beyond me. Benavidez has a great stamina and workrate, but no defense. He is there to get countered the whole night.

        This fight will be as great as Bivol - Ramirez. With Canelo being Bivol.
        Canelo starts each fight being up 3 rounds. Bivol pummeled Canelo pillar to post for 12 rounds, and the scorecards were 115-113. 7 rounds to 5. Canelo had no business winning 5 rounds in that fight. He didn't win 5 rounds in that fight. Dude got outboxed, he was breathing heavy out of his mouth for the last 5 rounds, with Bivol landing at will.

        Bivol and Benavidez are completely different styles. Benavidez has ultra high work rate and gets rid of his opponents through accumulation of punches. Bivol is a technician that outboxes his opponent. Your comparison of Benavidez to Ramirez is off. Ramirez is not a power puncher, he's a boxer. Bivol boxed his ears off.

        Benavidez comes with bad intentions. He has 85% KO ratio. He's a KO risk at any point in time - neither Zurdo or Bivol are KO risks. It's a completely different fight, a fight that Canelo has never fought. The risk for Canelo is not that he'll get outboxed by Bivol, or that Saunders would be too slick for him. Or that Plant is too awkward. The risk is that Benavidez will star slow, but by the 3rd round Benavidez will be bullying Canelo around the ring, bloodying him, and knocking him down to a 3 KD TKO stoppage. A loss like that.. is not something Canelo has had to face since he fought Golovkin. By that point in time, Golovkin was a much older, out of his prime fighter. Benavidez would be younger, bigger, and stronger than Canelo. The risk profile is vastly different. Lose to Bivol and the scenario is that he got ouboxed by a fighter who's bigger than him. Get KTFO by Benavidez, and well.. your aura of invincibility, and your legacy, are gone to the wind.

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        • just the facts
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          #74
          Originally posted by 4truth
          I think Canelo does what Andrade could not. Andrade landed but he couldn't hurt and deter Benevidez. Force caution into the Benevidez offense and it's a different game.
          Great points! Both Andrade and Plant were having success vs Benevides but neither had the power to hurt him. I believe Canelo does.

          Canelo has never had problems with slow footed, straight forward fighters. It’s the guys with good movement (Floyd, Lara, GGG, Bivol) that give him fits.

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