Comments Thread For: Hearn: If Daniel Dubois Loses To Jarrell Miller His Career Might Be Over

[kiaba360]

If Dubois loses, maybe a Joyce rematch. The loser of the rematch would need to go back to the proverbial drawing board.

[kiaba360]

It would be a long road back but Hearn himself has promoted several PPV’s headlined by Derek Chisora who has double digit losses.

In this modern era, it feels like Heavyweights are only one win away from a big fight/payday.

Chisora is a special case of toughness and charisma/personality. Dubois has arguably shown deficiency in both of these categories. Chisora is also a holdover from the Klitschko era, so he's built a bit differently than the contemporary HWs. Dubois is still young enough to bounce back from a loss, but will Warren continue investing in him if he quits again? Dubois needs to leave it all in the ring against Miller.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Chisora is a special case of toughness and charisma/personality. Dubois has arguably shown deficiency in both of these categories. Chisora is also a holdover from the Klitschko era, so he's built a bit differently than the contemporary HWs. Dubois is still young enough to bounce back from a loss, but will Warren continue investing in him if he quits again? Dubois needs to leave it all in the ring against Miller.

I feel like there’s always a road back for HW’s though. One punch can lead to one win and you’re suddenly back in contention.

[kiaba360]

I feel like there’s always a road back for HW’s though. One punch can lead to one win and you’re suddenly back in contention.

...or a punch away from permanent damage. Didn't he already suffer a severe injury in the Joyce fight, and an injury against Lerena?

Dubois has fallen far short of Queensberry's expectations. I don't perceive Dubois as a solid contender, and his matchmaking is at fault. I think Dubois was rushed because of Warren's desperation for a star to rival AJ, and now Dubois is having to face someone who's a bad style match-up. Dubois barely learned anything as a prospect because he kept getting quick KO's, similar to Yarde. Now guys like Dubois and Yarde seem stuck on the cusp of world-level because they didn't face enough resistance in their formative years...and now it's too late because of the expectations placed on them.

[hhh1200]

DDD had an excellent performance vs Usyk, but slipped mentally after getting robbed and checked out of the fight. That said, I expect a good performance vs a fatter and slower non-PED version of Miller and a KO since Miller is too fat to bend like Ruiz so he will have to take the full impact of the shot. I have never seen Miller in one fight with an explosive puncher. The closet potentially Gerald Washington but he checks out the minute you hit him.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

...or a punch away from permanent damage. Didn't he already suffer a severe injury in the Joyce fight, and an injury against Lerena?

Dubois has fallen far short of Queensberry's expectations. I don't perceive Dubois as a solid contender, and his matchmaking is at fault. I think Dubois was rushed because of Warren's desperation for a star to rival AJ, and now Dubois is having to face someone who's a bad style match-up. Dubois barely learned anything as a prospect because he kept getting quick KO's, similar to Yarde. Now guys like Dubois and Yarde seem stuck on the cusp of world-level because they didn't face enough resistance in their formative years...and now it's too late because of the expectations placed on them.

I thought Dubois’ matchmaking was pretty decent tbf, I think a lot of us underestimated Joyce- me included. At the time that seemed a logical step up fight.

Yarde’s matchmaking has been terrible, it’s been record padding trash and then the elite of the division which has resulted in him being found out twice. Yarde has a lot more talent than Dubois too, he could actually be a top contender.

[kiaba360]

I thought Dubois’ matchmaking was pretty decent tbf, I think a lot of us underestimated Joyce- me included. At the time that seemed a logical step up fight.

Yarde’s matchmaking has been terrible, it’s been record padding trash and then the elite of the division which has resulted in him being found out twice. Yarde has a lot more talent than Dubois too, he could actually be a top contender.

Dubois was fighting domestic level opposition before Joyce. I remember so much was made from Dubois beating Nathan Gorman...who was only a prospect and still hasn't been able to capture the Lonsdale title. Dubois was doing what he needed to do....KO the opposition put in front of him. It was up to Queensberry to find decent journeymen or gatekeepers to test him before he made a bid for world-level. Joyce was getting the match-ups that Dubois needed: Jennings, Ustinov, Stiverne. I think Queensberry skipped a step in his development, hoping that he'd survive whatever difficult moments were thrown at him (i.e. AJ vs. Klitschko). They took a gamble and it hasn't really paid off.

[hugh grant]

Im not sure why DDD couldnt continue against Usyk, maybe too exhausted. But i hope DDD knows and he has taken steps to prevent it again. I think Miller is terrified of DDD, so DDD got a good chance to make amends for quitting against Usyk.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Dubois was fighting domestic level opposition before Joyce. I remember so much was made from Dubois beating Nathan Gorman...who was only a prospect and still hasn't been able to capture the Lonsdale title. Dubois was doing what he needed to do....KO the opposition put in front of him. It was up to Queensberry to find decent journeymen or gatekeepers to test him before he made a bid for world-level. Joyce was getting the match-ups that Dubois needed: Jennings, Ustinov, Stiverne. I think Queensberry skipped a step in his development, hoping that he'd survive whatever difficult moments were thrown at him (i.e. AJ vs. Klitschko). They took a gamble and it hasn't really paid off.

I think most people felt Joyce was domestic level at the time though. I sort of did myself. I favoured Dubois in that matchup, I massively underestimated Joyce.

[kiaba360]

I think most people felt Joyce was domestic level at the time though. I sort of did myself. I favoured Dubois in that matchup, I massively underestimated Joyce.

...because Joyce was slower and older, right? But look what happened. Joyce's jab/size/pressure made Dubois uncomfortable, and Dubois couldn't survive a fight he was winning on the cards. Dubois was normally blasting boxers outta there, so he never had to demonstrate consistent head movement and/or grit before.

Possible outcome: 300lb Miller absorbs Dubois' best shot, and forces Dubois to move around or throw more punches. Dubois will eventually fatigue and get pummeled into submission.