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  • #11
    Shakur did not clinch that much, it was the half step move. That kept the opponent from cutting off the ring. It was a posturing and faint feast.

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    • #12
      To win a belt it should be the case that you must score at least 113 pts in a 12 round fight. The ref should deduct pts (after warnings) from fighters who refuse to engage, clinch too much, duck to low and all the rest of the negative strategies.

      Deduct a point every 2nd round and that's 6 points off leaving 114 pts so even if say, Stevenson, wins all 10 rounds he's end up with 112 points and be ineligible for the belt.

      It'd be a way to ref a fight and declare that neither fighter is deserving of the belt.

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      • #13
        Really curious to see how Muratalla would fair with Stevenson when he gets more experience at the top level.

        Raymond has a good ring generalship/IQ and pop. Aware plenty of people are questioning his chin after his bout with Galindo, but after he displayed his performances with two rangy big punchers, I think he do fine and go the distance with a featherfisted fighter like Stevenson. If I recall Edwin De Los Santos got dropped by a buzzed Jose Valenzuela who was in a bad state after getting knocked down twice. Yet the three division champ couldn't do the same against the young contender.
        Last edited by Malvado; 11-22-2023, 04:41 PM.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by ValarMargulis View Post
          There's honestly just one cure to this ailment and that's to not reward this type of fighting style. RE-define ring generalship. Every sport is evolving but boxing. I don't f**king get it. Stick to a ring size. Alter the rules. 6 clinches per round. Not engaging when not hurt should not be looked at as good ring generalship. Bring in an outside ref. The ring should be gladiator-style instead of it being elevated, this type of view skews the refs judgments most of the times.

          This is just on top of my head. There's so much more outside the ring that could be done. (consolidate the belts, etc). But Boxing needs to evolve. ASAP.
          Get rid of the judges and let the audience be the judge for the winners of the fights.

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          • #15
            That fight should have been declared a no contest because it literally was both of them not contesting. Also, order and immediate rematch, and I mean immediate like within a week because they could have fought the next day and suspend the loser or both if they failed to contest again.
            Last edited by Robi13; 11-22-2023, 06:02 PM.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by Robi13 View Post
              That fight should have been declared a no contest because it literally was both of them not contesting.
              I've always advocated that the only way to win should be by KO, TKO, or more knockdowns. Anything else is a draw. Abolish judges, round by round scoring. Stevenson would not have earned a win in his last fight. Runners who refuse to engage will be saddled with a large number of draws on their record. Those who try to KO their opponents get rewarded.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by THC View Post
                I've always advocated that the only way to win should be by KO, TKO, or more knockdowns. Anything else is a draw. Abolish judges, round by round scoring. Stevenson would not have earned a win in his last fight. Runners who refuse to engage will be saddled with a large number of draws on their record. Those who try to KO their opponents get rewarded.
                Careful, you may upset the sweet science police

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by SimpleTouchee View Post
                  Shakur did not clinch that much, it was the half step move. That kept the opponent from cutting off the ring. It was a posturing and faint feast.
                  Exactly.... it's like they were trying to figure each other out but were never able to after 12 rounds... lmao

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by THC View Post
                    I've always advocated that the only way to win should be by KO, TKO, or more knockdowns. Anything else is a draw. Abolish judges, round by round scoring. Stevenson would not have earned a win in his last fight. Runners who refuse to engage will be saddled with a large number of draws on their record. Those who try to KO their opponents get rewarded.
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