DEEPSTRIKE by Jabbr: The End Of Compubox And The Dave Morettis Of the World?

[W1LL]

This can only be good news! CompuBox isn't inaccurate, it is a fake tool used to sway the viewer's opinion. Mayweather-Pacquiao is a great example of how ridiculous the fake CompuBox numbers can be. The Fury-Ngannou numbers also had Ngannou landing many punches that were cuffing and/or non-scoring. Will open up a can of worms if this DEEPSTRIKE develops, and we can compare the true numbers with the CompuBox numbers for any given fight...

[Marchegiano]

That's because it uses a data pool instead of crying about how the judges got it wrong.

Fans do not even attempt to score based on what they think they judges will score and so do not study scoring in a way that is conducive to predicting the scoring of judges. Instead the never ending wisdom of the boxing fan holds up their interpretation of scoring criteria and claims the judges were wrong every time the judges score in a way they perceive breaks the criteria. Fools who don't even bother studying up on official results, they study up on boxers' training and records and make bets with their money.

It's always been ****** and asking people to stop and think about that has always been difficult. It just invites know-it-all-know-nothings to join and "teach" their idealized version of scoring.

[Willow The Wisp]

It might help clean up boxing, and that's precisely why it won't be adopted. There's a lot of things that could be done to clean up boxing, none of which require any technological adoption, etc, and none have gotten traction. Why? Because boxing is corrupt, and the powers in it prefer it to stay corrupt so they can keep making money.

Like politics! Commerce!

[Willow The Wisp]

Let's run some classic controversial classics through and see if everyone agrees with Jabbr DEEPSTRIKE scoring. Compubox, of course, is not used to actually judge a fight. Very interesting thread.

[Cypocryphy]

MY SCORE ORIGINALLY

	GOLOVKIN	ALVAREZ
1	10	9
2	9	10
3	10	9
4	10	9
5	10	9
6	9	10
7	9	10
8	10	9
9	10	9
10	10	9
11	10	9
12	10	9
TOTAL:	117	111

NOTE: I had round 11 as a swing round. Canelo, for the first time, was up against the ropes, just as he was in the first fight. Something happened in the last round, and it's no longer the same Canelo. His defense is gone. He's getting pieced up. Canelo relied back at the end but not enough to win it.


DEEPSTRIKE'S SCORE

	GOLOVKIN	ALVAREZ
1	10	9
2	9	10
3	10	9
4	10	9
5	10	9
6	9	10
7	10	9
8	10	9
9	10	9
10	10	9
11	10	9
12	10	9
TOTAL:	118	110

NOTE: Round Two I labeled as a swing round, even though Golovkin outlanded Canelo and did so with harder punches in general. However, Canelo landed the hardest punch in that round, and the total punches landed are close enough to have that as a swing round for either fighter. You can make an argument for either fighter winning that round. Canelo wins this round.

Round four Golovkin landed nearly 3x as many punches as Canelo, which leads me to ask what qualifies as a 10-8 round? What is the threshold for round dominance?

Round Six, Golovkin outlanded Canleo and landed the hardest punch in the round. However, Canelo landed more impactful punches in total, so you have to go with Canelo winning this round. He showed a little more aggression too, when landing his punches. This is the first round that you can make a good case for Canelo winning.

Round Seven, while I scored this for Canelo, DeepStrike showed that I was wrong, grossly wrong. This was a clear Golovkin round, where he landed the most impactful punches, more punches and the hardest punch.

Round Eight, Golovkin edged it out according to Deepstrike because he landed more punches (14 more punches than Alvarez), even though both landed and equal amount of hard punches. What pushes it for Golovkin according to DeepStrike is that he was the aggressor for a greater portion of the round, and he was applying more pressure (Ring Generalship). It was closer than I remember its being, however. Also, Canelo is only able to land two-punch combinations at most, while Golovkin would landed three and four-punch combinations.

Round Nine, both landed about an equal number of hard punches, with Golovkin landed the hardest punch of the round. However, Golovkin outlanded Canelo by 19 punches. He was also predominantly the effective aggressor.

Round Ten, Golovkin staggered Canelo this round, and he landed twice as many punches. DeepStrike shows Golovkin clearly won this round.

Round Eleven, first half of this round, Golovkin is kicking Canelo's ass. I think Canelo's chin is comparably to Golovkin's. This guy can take punches. Back half of the fight, Canelo lands some bombs, the hardest punches of the round. But overall, for high impact punches, Golovkin landed 8 and Canelo 6. And overall, Golovkin landed 24 punches to Canelo's 12. This is a Golovkin round.

Round Twelve, Golovkin wins the round. He landed 12 high impact punches to Canelo's 4. Golovkin also outlanded Canelo in total punches landed. He was the ring general most of the round and predominately the aggressor according to DeepStrike.

I scored the fight 117 to 111 for Golovkin. However, this fight should have been scored 118 to 110 for Golovkin, which means that this was highway robbery again.

[Cypocryphy]

Let's run some classic controversial classics through and see if everyone agrees with Jabbr DEEPSTRIKE scoring. Compubox, of course, is not used to actually judge a fight. Very interesting thread.

Will do. They did the Lomachenko vs Haney fight, which is the most recent controversial fight. Judges had it 115-113 twice and 116-112. Let's see if this was an actual robbery. (BTW: How much of a discrepancy is required to consider a fight a robbery? And should I post that fight in this thread or make a new thread for it?)

[Cypocryphy]

Willow The Wisp requested that we run some controversial classics. I'll look through what Jabbr has posted, but right off the bat, we have Devin Haney vs. Lomachenko. Judges had it 115-113 twice and 116-112. I just heard on ThaBoxingVoice that Brad Goodman had initial scored the fight for Loma, but when he watched it on TV, he said Haney won 8 rounds to 4, making it 116-112 on his card. Let's see if Brad Goodman knows what he's talking about. Here's the fight scored by unbiased artificial intelligence.

BTW: I home a modern controversial classic will suffice, Willow The Wisp.

[Cypocryphy]

Let's run some classic controversial classics through and see if everyone agrees with Jabbr DEEPSTRIKE scoring. Compubox, of course, is not used to actually judge a fight. Very interesting thread.

Ah ha! Here we go. They did one on Duran vs Hagler. Let's see who won. Do you have your original scorecard?

[Jsmooth9876]

With boxing, they'd come out with 3 different AI models that score 3 different ways and we'd be right back to where we are now with judges all seeing something different and scoring fights completely opposite of one another despite sitting 15 feet from one another lol

[Cypocryphy]

With boxing, they'd come out with 3 different AI models that score 3 different ways and we'd be right back to where we are now with judges all seeing something different and scoring fights completely opposite of one another despite sitting 15 feet from one another lol

lol I hope not. From my point of view, whatever model is used, it's based on those four criteria. In fact, it's more advanced than my own judging criteria. My criteria is that with clean punches, the whole knuckle of the glove has to land. Partially blocked shots are not considered clean punches. People disagree on that, and DEEPSTRIKE will count punches that punches through gloves or predominately land, despite catching glove. I also had three different punches. Regular punches. Hard punches, and then damaging punches (staggering punches). This AI actually assesses five different degrees of damaging punches.

What I find extremely interesting is that it graphs out and keeps track of combination punches. It's a fascinating graph. If you get a chance, check out the end of each round. It also assess who's applying pressure and who's being the aggressor.

Apparently, they've been using this for amateur bouts around the country to great success. With the right setup, it can provide a visual presentation and statistical presentation in real time. This really is the future.

And in regard to different models providing varied interpretations, I think we can all qualify what is a landed punch and what is a missed punch. It may not be 100 percent perfect, but it is clearly superior to how judging is conducted at the moment.