Why you guys pretend like Joshua -Wilder is a "big fight"?

[JakeTheBoxer]

These two didn`t fight when they were both unbeaten champs and the fight really mattered.

Both guys have losses and they have zero belts right now.

So maybe we all can stop pretending like it is some huge fight that must be made. It is not any bigger than Parker -Wilder coming next, two ex champs fighting.

If they both can win the titles after Usyk -Fury winner vacates some, well, than it is another story.

[MikeyMike100]

Because it is. A Joshua vs Wilder fight would probably still be bigger than a Fury vs Usyk fight

[W1LL]

I agree. The only intriguing fight left would be Fury-AJ, if Fury beats Usyk and if AJ beat Wilder. The fact that AJ-Wilder is being talked about to possibly be a Summer 2024 fight shows you how slow these people are willing to move. There's also talk of AJ fighting Hrgovic for a vacant title after Fury-Usyk. Could be that AJ ducks Wilder again to become a 3-time paper champion. The Heavyweight division may go in to decline after Fury-Usyk. We will finally get to see who is Undisputed, no way will anyone want to watch an old AJ and Wilder competing for vacant belts after that.

[dan-b]

"Muh AJ - Wilder" is very boring at this point. If they fight I'll watch, but the conversation around it is tedious in the extreme.

[removed]

AJ and Wilder are both big names in the sport, that's why it's a big fight.

Ask the average sports fan who AJ or Wilder is and they'll probably know, ask them who Jo Parker is and they won't have a clue.

[deathofaclown]

It is a very big fight. It has a lot of appeal in terms of entertainment.

You will still watch won't you?

Its not as relevant as it was in 2017/2018 in terms of its importance to the division and when they were champs, both have had their arses handed to them a few times now

but not many boxing fans would want to miss it by the time fight night happens...

[ELPacman]

It's not what it could have been, sure. But the idea of who would have won when they were both at their most valuable could remain. Mostly because this is heavyweight boxing, but Wilder is getting old here. I hate to say that because I feel like I say that whenever a mega fight is FINALLY about to get going, but you can't ignore it either. Boxing is for the youth.

Once again, if the scared opponent felt he had to age out his opponent, well, AJ and Hearn have mostly achieved that at this point.

[PRINCEKOOL]

It is an overrated match up, and has been for many years.

What makes a big fight in boxing is:

1: Are there titles at stake? No there are no titles on the line currently right now with this match up.

2: Is there passion between the fighters, beyond just wanting to do business? No, I don't see it.

3: What is the actual story and theme of the fight? Who is a the Villian, who is the hero? Is it just a event which will do good business? What is the fight about?

Wilder vs Joshua, now it is a big fight 'But not to the level certain folk are trying to make out'.

Certain boxing fans are acting as if Wilder vs Joshua, is the Heavyweight Gatti vs Ward 'Stylistically lets all be honest? Anthony Joshua is a by far too good of a boxer, for the fight action to develop into that type of fight. Joshua is too good of a boxer skill for skill, and Wilder skill for skill is not good enough to force that type of fight 'I rate Wilder highly within this era of Heavyweights, and he is good at what he does.

But most top level boxers, who don't want to engage with Wilder in my opinion could take rounds off him until he ether decks them or ****s them out'. And if Wilder does not **** them out, then he is very susceptible to being out boxed.

I have been saying for sometime, that the match up is overrated 'I don't find the dynamic between the fighters interesting, there is very little inspiring about the match up'.

Note: Lets all compare that to Wilder vs Fury trilogy 'Think back to the first Fury vs Wilder face off, the debate and exchange between the two fighters. For me that is still one of the darkest, most intriguing face off's I have ever seen in all of boxing in the past 10 years.

From the very start of the Fury vs Wilder rivalry, it meant more to the two fighters than just business 'That is what essentially creates a great match up, the immaterial aspects of competition'.

I don't detect or see any of that when Wilder and Joshua are close together 'Nothing'.

Wilder vs Fury IIII, Ruiz Junior vs Joshua III, even Whyte vs Joshua II.

Those are all more intriguing passionate Heavyweight match ups in comparison to Wilder vs Joshua.

Fury vs Usyk 'Is also I would say a more passionate match up, especially since Fury decided to turn himself into a heel. The situation in both fighter's careers, for me is also making it very a intriguing match up 'Is Tyson Fury even a top level fighter anymore? Has Fury's true form been unearthed in his last fight? Before the Ngannou vs Fury fight the status quo in boxing was that 'Fury is just going to wade forward and bull Usyk'.

But since that fight, now? Many people are starting to give Usyk a serious chance of beating Usyk 'Now when I say people, I am mainly referring to the folk who just seemingly always side with whatever the mass opinion or view point is on a fight. This is not always a bad thing, but sometimes you can blatantly detect that many boxing fans do not really analysed fights for themselves 'They incessantly repeat and make the most obvious cliche points i.e Fury is 270 + pounds, Uysk is 220 pounds I just don't understand how Uysk can win blah blah'.

What is Tyson Fury's VO2 max? Do people here think it is anywhere near the level of Uysk's? Highly likely that Fury's VO2max is nowhere near Uysk's level.

What is Tyson Fury's power to weight ratio? I have seen video's of Tyson Fury dead-lifting a certain weight, and celebrating as if he achieved something really impressive for his body weight 'Lets me tell all you people straight up now, Tyson Fury from the evidence of what I have seen is not a strong man for his body size'.

Who has Tyson Fury bulled inside a boxing ring? Fury has only bulled fighters who he has out weighed by 30 to 40 pounds, for me his brute strength inside a boxing ring is unproven.

Whenever Fury has fought another Super Heavyweight, or fighter he does not out weigh by 40 pounds 'Fury has fought them on the back foot. The very few times he has decided to fight those type of fighters head on, he has ether been decked or busted up'.

So as you can see Fury vs Usyk on many levels is a passionate and intriguing match up 'The fight has taken a bit if a hit since Ngannou vs Fury, but it is still a captivating event' etc.

[TMLT87]

Not half as big as it was five years ago but still far bigger than AJ vs Wallin, or Hrgovic, or Helenius, or Franklin. Also far bigger than Wilder/Parker. So lets not try to excuse those ****ty fights by downplaying AJ/Wilder, which I assume is the intention.

[Spray_resistant]

Its only interesting because all of Wilder's fights are interesting due to the "is he going to get outboxed or find the big shot before the end of 12" factor.