How did people score Navarrete vs Conceicao?

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  • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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    #21
    Originally posted by garfios
    Both fights were stinkers, when I said there's no comparison is that dls a least tried to engage in some occasions, agbeko was the running man vs GR. At the end of the night borh fights were horrendous.
    I was never comparing them or the fights stylistically as I pointed out. Agbeko is a small, compact orthodox fighter, De Los Santos is a rangy southpaw, it goes without saying really.

    All I was saying was Shakur was given an opportunity to shine but failed to entertain, just like Rigo did against Agbeko.

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      #22
      Originally posted by garfios

      Not giving him the fight, but he didn't won clearly.
      Shakur won clearly. He easily won 7 rounds. I had it 117-111.

      Others had it wider.

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        #23
        I think the official cards for Stevenson-De Los Santos were accurate. I don't thing anybody wins a fight easily if they're petrified to engage.


        Nav-Conceicao was an interesting one because it can be interpreted a few ways but i had the Brazilian edging it. It was weird how his awkward 1-2 kept landing over and over again but him staying busy made it so Vaquero really couldn't get going.

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          #24
          Conceicao disrupted Navarette's typical routine and rythmn. That was the Brazilian team's game plan and it worked, albeit in a grueling manner. Didn't care much about that fight and I would have had any problem seeing Conceicao's hand raised in that fight.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Mammoth
            I think the official cards for Stevenson-De Los Santos were accurate. I don't thing anybody wins a fight easily if they're petrified to engage.


            Nav-Conceicao was an interesting one because it can be interpreted a few ways but i had the Brazilian edging it. It was weird how his awkward 1-2 kept landing over and over again but him staying busy made it so Vaquero really couldn't get going.
            If you score it round by round, I find it hard to make any case DLS won or was even close to winning. I think you have to be generous to give him 5 rounds. I only gave him 3, 10 and 12.

            Navarrete often fights at the level of his opposition. It’s gonna cost him one day.

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              #26
              Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT

              I was never comparing them or the fights stylistically as I pointed out. Agbeko is a small, compact orthodox fighter, De Los Santos is a rangy southpaw, it goes without saying really.

              All I was saying was Shakur was given an opportunity to shine but failed to entertain, just like Rigo did against Agbeko.
              I thought back then that it was going to be a firefight, agbeko had a warriors reputation and Rigondeaux was a counterpuncher, all the ingredients for a good fight. I was wrong.

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                #27
                Originally posted by garfios

                I thought back then that it was going to be a firefight, agbeko had a warriors reputation and Rigondeaux was a counterpuncher, all the ingredients for a good fight. I was wrong.
                Yeah same here. That’s what I was getting at, people were expecting a statement performance from Rigo but the fight up hurting his reputation, commerciality etc. Rigo didn’t headline in the US again until he fought Loma.

                Shakur is going to have to up his game or he could end up in a similar position.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT

                  If you score it round by round, I find it hard to make any case DLS won or was even close to winning. I think you have to be generous to give him 5 rounds. I only gave him 3, 10 and 12.
                  That's fair. I think both fights were ones where you can come to very different conclusions and still be reasonable.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT

                    Shakur won clearly. He easily won 7 rounds. I had it 117-111.

                    Others had it wider.
                    And others had it closer. The new Nicolino Locche, winning rounds without throwing a punch.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by garfios

                      And others had it closer. The new Nicolino Locche, winning rounds without throwing a punch.
                      Neither were landing much but Stevenson was landing more. 8-4 is about as close as I can see it.

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