Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Jaron Ennis, Benavidez-Andrade, Crawford, More

[BillyBoxing]

How the hell is Spence, who's been on virtually every P4P list, often in the top 5 for 5 or 6 years, not a better victory over a mentally fragile dude who got smoked by Andy Ruiz?

Crawford smoked a universal top 5-10 P4P fighter. Usyk's never beaten anybody on a P4P list

And Bread is one of the biggest GGG defenders on the planet. Last time I checked he was a Euro fighter.

Also, Bread's explained that he can't properly judge Harry Greb because there's virtually no film of him. I think it's a respectable stance, as opposed to fan boys who just started acting like Greb was the greatest thing ever in the last decade without ever having watched him fight.

Spence should have never been on P4P lists. Beating Porter or Swift Garcia by SD doesn't make you P4P.

[HandsofIron]

Top 5 Pay Per View Ever
Mike Tyson vs Muhammad Ali HW
Sugar Ray Leonard vs Oscar De La Hoya 147
Roberto Duran vs Manny Pacquiao 140
Thomas Hearns vs Felix Trinidad 154
Julio Cesar Chavez vs Aaron Pryor 140

Honorable mention
Alexis Arguello vs Salvador Sanchez 126

[The D3vil]

So, Usyk`s fault is that he is too big to fight welterweights and middleweights on some fictional p4p list.

Fury's on the P4P list too, genius.

And both AJ & Wilder flirted with being ranked on them when they were undefeated

Fact is, the HW division is trash & most of the best fighters exist between 135-160.

That's the way that it usually is.

Crawford fights in the best division in boxing history at 147 & has completely unified it.

His competition has inherently been better.

Usyk dominated maybe the WORST division in boxing history (Cruiser) and now has one legit scalp (Joshua) at HW, but Joshua's been beaten by Andy Ruiz, so I'm not going to put a huge stock in that.

[The D3vil]

Spence should have never been on P4P lists. Beating Porter or Swift Garcia by SD doesn't make you P4P.

He was undefeated at boxing's greatest division, historically, & a champion for 5 or 6 years.

Name me a welterweight champion for that long, who hasn't been on a P4P list?

He held 3 belts at 147.

Nobody with that resume is NOT going to be on P4P lists.

[Gideon lock]

Andrade is gonna shock a lot of people and hurt David repeatedly during the fight possibly win by stoppage that snac conditioning is no joke and andrade knows this is his time to make up for what's been a fairly under the radar career mainly from people ducking him. Footwork will be key

[JakeTheBoxer]

Fury's on the P4P list too, genius.

And both AJ & Wilder flirted with being ranked on them when they were undefeated

Fact is, the HW division is trash & most of the best fighters exist between 135-160.

That's the way that it usually is.

Crawford fights in the best division in boxing history at 147 & has completely unified it.

His competition has inherently been better.

Usyk dominated maybe the WORST division in boxing history (Cruiser) and now has one legit scalp (Joshua) at HW, but Joshua's been beaten by Andy Ruiz, so I'm not going to put a huge stock in that.

147 is not any better than hw now.

Usyk has won world titles in 2 grown divisions.

I was 147 when I was 13 years old lol.

The real boxing is from middleweight division and up.

[The D3vil]

147 is not any better than hw now.

Usyk has won world titles in 2 grown divisions.

I was 147 when I was 13 years old lol.

The real boxing is from middleweight division and up.

WRONG.

Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Manny Pacquaio, Floyd Mayweather, Oscar De La Hoya, Henry Armstrong.

The greatest fighters in history (with few exceptions like Ali & Louis) have come through 147.

And Boots Ennis has more talent in his left pinky than EVERYBODY in the HW division, including Fury & Usyk.

Crawford's better than all of them as well

Nobody's rated the Cruiserweight division since Evander Holyfield fought in it.

If you wanna reward people just for being big, go watch football

[JakeTheBoxer]

WRONG.

Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Manny Pacquaio, Floyd Mayweather, Oscar De La Hoya, Henry Armstrong.

The greatest fighters in history (with few exceptions like Ali & Louis) have come through 147.

And Boots Ennis has more talent in his left pinky than EVERYBODY in the HW division, including Fury & Usyk.

Crawford's better than all of them as well

Nobody's rated the Cruiserweight division since Evander Holyfield fought in it.

If you wanna reward people just for being big, go watch football

So your argument is Usyk is not elite because he is to big to compete with midgets.

Or what.

Welterweight is trash right now, with Crawford very likely moving up. You have Ennis, maybe Stanionis, Crowley and nobody else.

[The D3vil]

So your argument is Usyk is not elite because he is to big to compete with midgets.

Or what.

Welterweight is trash right now, with Crawford very likely moving up. You have Ennis, maybe Stanionis, Crowley and nobody else.

My argument's that there's more great fighters in the world around 147lbs than there are 200lbs, which is why 200lbers rarely make P4P lists.

If Usyk beats Fury (who's also on P4P lists) then fine, but they aint fought yet.

Spence was on every P4P list for 5 years.

[BillyBoxing]

He was undefeated at boxing's greatest division, historically, & a champion for 5 or 6 years.

Name me a welterweight champion for that long, who hasn't been on a P4P list?

He held 3 belts at 147.

Nobody with that resume is NOT going to be on P4P lists.

Spence era was average. Thurm, Brook, Porter, Swift Garcia.
We are far from Duran, Benitez, Sugar L, Hearns.

Thurm might be the best of the lot since he beat Porter and Swift and he a'ss lost to a semi retired 40 years old PAC.