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  • #21
    Before the NGannou fight, I thought Fury would win. But now i see this as a 50/50 fight and that 50 depends on which version of Fury shows up. Does he train, lose weight and takes this seriously, or does he party, stay fat and look like garbage. We all know Usyk is going to be well prepared. The question is if Usyks age hinders his mobility.

    Regardless, I see this as a boring fight. Usyk will obviously be mobile and move around a lot and Fury will be leaning, putting that weight on him. It will be worse than the Wlad fight.

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    • #22
      I know people keep saying Fury relies on leaning and wrestling fighters 'I disagree with this'.

      Fury holds, and does give it at go at wrestling his opponents 'But Fury's rough house tactics are not super great'.

      Whenever Fury holds, it usually leads to him becoming clumsy and making unforced errors.

      Of course Uysk has a chance of beating Fury, skill for skill 'Uysk will not be intimidated by Fury, Usyk has already fought and beat another Super Heavyweight in Joshua who is a capable boxer with more punching power then Fury'.

      If people don't buy into all the media narratives, they will understand that Uysk's current form is more proven than Fury's 'Usyk has been fighting at a higher level, and even winning fights which were stylistically a challenge for him'.

      Tyson Fury is not this monster stylistic challenge for Uysk that people try and make out 'Fury is not a monster puncher, his endurance and aggression is not intense enough in my opinion to dominate Usyk, and skill for skill Fury is not levels above Uysk as a boxer'.

      Joshua, Chisora, Dubois, those fighters are all physically very strong fighters in terms of brute strength 'Joshua & Dubois also have more punching power than Fury, and in my opinion a more devastating offense'.

      Note: But as other people have been saying, Tyson Fury does increase his game during the clutch 'Fury clutch game is proven to be top level'. If Tyson Fury is anywhere near the great fighter his hardcore fans claim him to be, if Fury can recapture or show some all-time great fighting abilities 'Then his fight vs Usyk will have to be that fight were he shows this level of greatness'.

      Like when Apollo Creed fought Rocky Balboa for the second time, during the press conference Apollo Creed stated 'That he took his last fight vs Rocky Balboa lightly, and that during this rematch the whole world would all see who the real Apollo Creed is. Lighting fast, and hard to catch 'No playing, no jiving, just business'.

      Tyson Fury's hardcore fans are saying that Fury did not train seriously for Ngannou. But many former boxers and experts of the game 'Believe that Fury's performance was more alarming and serious than just not taking Ngannou seriously 'Many people believe what really happened, was that Fury's true current form and boxing abilities were unearthed.

      Tyson Fury is a great fighter of this era, but the mass consensuses are now all in agreement that he was not this all-time great monster fighter that his hardcore fans and media portrayed him as'.

      But boxing is a sport which is built for comebacks, many people think this sport is all about wining and being the best 'It is not'. The sport on a fundamental level is about making comebacks, at all levels of the game 'Professional, Amateur, recreational there are people making comebacks every year in boxing one way or another within their lives. Comebacks are what inspire people'.

      Tyson Fury's legacy for me, is not that he is this monster all-time great fighter. Fury's legacy is that he made a comeback, when he appeared as if he was gone out of the game 'Fury has been here before and he came back, the question is? Can he do it again. This time against the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport of boxing Oleksandr Usyk' etc.

      Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 11-14-2023, 12:26 PM.

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      • #23
        A good big man always beats a good little man. Unfortunately for Fury, Usyk is a great little man. Just as the great little man Holyfield beat Valuev (in reality, not by the judges' scores), Usyk will beat Fury, but by knockout.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
          Usyk favourite so how is it a shock?
          Fury is 8/13 0n favourite

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          • #25
            Usyk will beat fury and make it look very easy. The Ngannou fight showed us Fury is done

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            • #26
              After three titanic performances against the then unbeaten and most concussive punchers to lace them ,Tyson is going to have to go to the well again.I was almost convinced that Fury had the complete beating of Usyk in every department now I'm only around 70% there. Tyson said he trained hard for Ngannou and I believe him , as was seconded by Parker , his training partner . I do believe Tyson thought it was going to be a walk over and was not mentally fully focused and Ngannou is better than everyone thought .For me this makes the Uysk fight even more intriguing .May the best man win!
              Last edited by thack; 11-14-2023, 12:17 PM.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by thack View Post

                Fury is 8/13 0n favourite
                Wow, Thurman didnt look amazing a fight before Pac, and then Pac was favourite, against a bigger, unbeaten, younger lion? Pac must be GOAT hands down then!
                How is Pac favourite against Thurman, but Usyk not favourite against Fury? Should Usyk get credit for beating fury now, who came off such a poor performance according to many?
                Last edited by hugh grant; 11-14-2023, 12:37 PM.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Boxviewer View Post

                  Greedy Belly looked great against an utterly limited boxer Wilder who can't fight on the back foot and lacks strength and defence. He was tailor made for him. Francis Ngannou exposed him, he couldn't impose his weight on him, a novice with basic boxing skills but physically very strong. These two fights, the Wilder and Ngannou fights, showed that the famed Greedy Belly's skills are greatly based on his ability to bully smaller and weaker guys. If Wallin was as strong as Ngannou he could have beaten Greedy Belly convincingly IMO.

                  Usyk isn't physically as strong as Ngannou but he's stronger legs and cardio than Wilder and a far better boxer and fighter than him. On top of that he's faster and quicker than Greedy Belly and he can take a punch. So, I can see him beating Greedy Belly easily.
                  "Greedy Belly" wasn't focused.

                  It's obvious because he scheduled Usyk 2 months later, which no focused fighter in his right mind schedules two important fights 2 months apart.

                  Wilder's no more limited than Ngannou, that's why he has a bronze medal in the Olympics.

                  They don't give those to guys with no skills whatsoever.

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