Comments Thread For: Teofimo Lopez on Murky Future: I Bring Too Many Demands and Don't Get Nothin' Back; We Want to Weigh Our Options

[Cyborg Fangerloo]

For starters... I appreciate and respect your take/opinion as opposed to some people on here, being fanboys, who take offense to any criticism about their favorite fighters. They usually are quick to jump to childish insults.

As far as Tank/Teo goes... I understand your points about Teo's chin being questionable. However, I still think Tank hasn't fought anyone noteworthy or as skilled/hard hitting as Teo. Pitbull doesn't count to me... Nor does most of Tank's resume (as far as my opinion goes). I think a non injured Tank will mop the floor with Pitbull, I don't even want to see that rematch as it holds up the progress of all the big name fights in the division. I don't rate Garcia well at all, and I don't want to hear people saying **** like "tank only won because of the rehydration clause that was put on Ryan!" Don't sign the fkn contract! Tank's win vs Garcia is meaningless to me. I feel Teo has been off in some fights where he shouldn't have been. Not to make excuses, but it's safe to say his mental health is absolutely unpredictable... but I do think he will definitely show up when it's someone he knows he shouldn't play around with. We saw that vs Kambosos... and he paid the price. I don't think he would play around with Tank. He definitely didn't play around when it came to Lomachenko. Loma has no one else but to blame but himself for his shytty/scared performance... Tank has NEVER fought Loma, which I believe Tank and his team have been scared of all these years. I recall Tank and Floyd going as far as saying they don't need Loma for Tank's legacy which I call bull****. Tank has no legacy defining wins. Garcia, Pitbull, Barrios, Rollie, aren't legacy fights in any way shape or form. Loma and Taylor are bigger and better wins for Teo, more so than Tank's entire resume. Tank can't even say he fought a past prime Loma, or a drained past prime Taylor. Tank can't even say he has beat a PAST PRIME CHAMPION.

As far as I'm concerned in the case of Teo vs Taylor... It's not Teo's fault that Taylor signed the contract. I am a huge fan of Spence, but I HAD TO GIVE CRAWFORD his credit. It's not Crawford's fault that Spence signed the contract. Maybe the fight should've happened years prior... but that didn't happen, and I accept and respect the results. Same as Teo vs Taylor. Teo had a phenomenal performance against Taylor... We can't sit here and say that Taylor vs Teo would have been completely different because we saw it different circumstances. We can't go based off of **** that didn't happen. Teo did what he had to do against a skilled/lineal champion.

I rate Shakur's skills very high. It's more like a 70/30 now that I think about it lol... Say Teo vs Shakur happens. Shakur is one of those people that I truly can't see being beat by anyone. It's not to say he's invincible and no one has a chance, but those chances are slim. Shakur beats Haney and Teo, possibly dominates both of them.

60/40 against Haney? The more I think about this one... I also think it's more like 70/30 when it comes to Teo vs Haney. In favor of Teo of course... Teo beat Lomachenko, who he dominated. Haney's win vs Lomachenko was not domination by any stretch of the meaning... obviously it was quite controversial. I do not even think Haney beat Loma... At some point in the fight, Haney was slapped around, badly, and looked like a deer in the headlights. The moments Haney had against Loma were good, but not concerning for Loma's corner/team. Questionable chins? Well hey, it's boxing. Everyone gets caught right? Haney DEFINITELY has a questionable chin from what we've been seen. He did dominate Linares, but god damn we all seen Haney... (as the black people call it, which i love this term lol) do the stanky leg going back to his corner vs Linares, who was DEFINITELY past prime. I can't imagine how Haney would react vs a power shot from Lopez. Haney has already proved himself as someone who lacks power. I promise you Lopez will tag Haney. Haney definitely needs to fight a perfect fight vs Lopez, and I truly believe Lopez would absolutely show up if they fought.

I'm sure you didn't expect a novel in response but I have some calculated/well thought out opinions. There's a lot more I could say but I don't want to type anymore. This is the kind of **** that would be better talked over a beer in person, which I'm sure won't happen hahaha

Great analysis. The one factor that could make you entirely correct or incorrect is how sometimes styles make or don't make fights. Sometimes it just doesn't make sense. We look in retrospect and ask ourselves how we could have missed that one. I just wish the financial realities of boxing today did not impede so much on allowing us to actually see the above discussed matchups.

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

Soon he will get to the point that no promoter will deal with him because he's not worth the trouble and b.s.
He might already be there.

[Apollo7]

Too lazy to fight?

So egotistical he that he makes demands which can't/won't be met?

Cycling PED's?

All or a combination of the above?

Idk

[mattconan]

Christ why couldn’t Loma just beat this *******?

[messi807]

Crawford is all about race making comments about AA fighter being better and that one must not be great if they haven't beaten an AA fighter lol

Floyd with his anti Asian racist comments towards Manny yet the biased media and his bigot fans act like that never happened.

Yea Crawford and Floyd are racist go luck up their history that you conveniently try to ignore and you support them simply because they are AA and you know it....man gtfoh you hypocrite pos.

let me guess you're probably One of those extremist racist idiots who say Africans were already in the USA and are the "real native Americans" lol

You’re just proving more and more your racial bias every time you type lol, everything you just said was based on assumption about AA. You’re racist.. just own it

Nope. I don’t care who was in America 1st. Simple history shows the human race evolved from Africans - which is why I’m still confused why people like you hate them. I’m guessing you didn’t know everyone evolved from Africa lol? wow, what a rude awakening that must be.

Bud is racist? You’re on your own on that one lol, nobody believes you. if you genuinely were so bothered about Bud, you wouldn’t support a racist like Teo - let’s be clear.

Floyd apologised. Teo didn't and you still support him? I think you’re hard of hearing.

No worries, Bud will never lose (or to anyone you support) and clearly Floyd won’t either. Teo will get KO’d or embarrassed again soon by a AA fighter and we’ll all be on the floor laughing

‘B-b-but Top Rank they can have the African Americans’ LMAO

[messi807]

For starters... I appreciate and respect your take/opinion as opposed to some people on here, being fanboys, who take offense to any criticism about their favorite fighters. They usually are quick to jump to childish insults.

As far as Tank/Teo goes... I understand your points about Teo's chin being questionable. However, I still think Tank hasn't fought anyone noteworthy or as skilled/hard hitting as Teo. Pitbull doesn't count to me... Nor does most of Tank's resume (as far as my opinion goes). I think a non injured Tank will mop the floor with Pitbull, I don't even want to see that rematch as it holds up the progress of all the big name fights in the division. I don't rate Garcia well at all, and I don't want to hear people saying **** like "tank only won because of the rehydration clause that was put on Ryan!" Don't sign the fkn contract! Tank's win vs Garcia is meaningless to me. I feel Teo has been off in some fights where he shouldn't have been. Not to make excuses, but it's safe to say his mental health is absolutely unpredictable... but I do think he will definitely show up when it's someone he knows he shouldn't play around with. We saw that vs Kambosos... and he paid the price. I don't think he would play around with Tank. He definitely didn't play around when it came to Lomachenko. Loma has no one else but to blame but himself for his shytty/scared performance... Tank has NEVER fought Loma, which I believe Tank and his team have been scared of all these years. I recall Tank and Floyd going as far as saying they don't need Loma for Tank's legacy which I call bull****. Tank has no legacy defining wins. Garcia, Pitbull, Barrios, Rollie, aren't legacy fights in any way shape or form. Loma and Taylor are bigger and better wins for Teo, more so than Tank's entire resume. Tank can't even say he fought a past prime Loma, or a drained past prime Taylor. Tank can't even say he has beat a PAST PRIME CHAMPION.

As far as I'm concerned in the case of Teo vs Taylor... It's not Teo's fault that Taylor signed the contract. I am a huge fan of Spence, but I HAD TO GIVE CRAWFORD his credit. It's not Crawford's fault that Spence signed the contract. Maybe the fight should've happened years prior... but that didn't happen, and I accept and respect the results. Same as Teo vs Taylor. Teo had a phenomenal performance against Taylor... We can't sit here and say that Taylor vs Teo would have been completely different because we saw it different circumstances. We can't go based off of **** that didn't happen. Teo did what he had to do against a skilled/lineal champion.

I rate Shakur's skills very high. It's more like a 70/30 now that I think about it lol... Say Teo vs Shakur happens. Shakur is one of those people that I truly can't see being beat by anyone. It's not to say he's invincible and no one has a chance, but those chances are slim. Shakur beats Haney and Teo, possibly dominates both of them.

60/40 against Haney? The more I think about this one... I also think it's more like 70/30 when it comes to Teo vs Haney. In favor of Teo of course... Teo beat Lomachenko, who he dominated. Haney's win vs Lomachenko was not domination by any stretch of the meaning... obviously it was quite controversial. I do not even think Haney beat Loma... At some point in the fight, Haney was slapped around, badly, and looked like a deer in the headlights. The moments Haney had against Loma were good, but not concerning for Loma's corner/team. Questionable chins? Well hey, it's boxing. Everyone gets caught right? Haney DEFINITELY has a questionable chin from what we've been seen. He did dominate Linares, but god damn we all seen Haney... (as the black people call it, which i love this term lol) do the stanky leg going back to his corner vs Linares, who was DEFINITELY past prime. I can't imagine how Haney would react vs a power shot from Lopez. Haney has already proved himself as someone who lacks power. I promise you Lopez will tag Haney. Haney definitely needs to fight a perfect fight vs Lopez, and I truly believe Lopez would absolutely show up if they fought.

I'm sure you didn't expect a novel in response but I have some calculated/well thought out opinions. There's a lot more I could say but I don't want to type anymore. This is the kind of **** that would be better talked over a beer in person, which I'm sure won't happen hahaha

Appreciate the reply brother.

I mostly agree with everything you said about Tank.. outside of Pedraza and maybe Barrios at 140 (which is looking like a decent W now, but nothing special).
He hasn’t done much. Tank beats any version of Ryan for sure but I still don’t respect the clause he put in the Garcia fight.
Regarding Teo vs Tank, I can see Tank timing him with something nasty.. - these dudes know each other well from the sparring wars, so it’ll be a good fight.

Teo looked way better against Loma than Haney but.. Haney looked way better against Kambosos than Teo did. One could argue Teo had issues outside the ring and health problems.. but same could be said about Loma against Teo.

I’ll admit I’m not a fan of Teo outside the ring, but I was one of the guys giving him major credit (at the time) for the JT win. But I don’t use it as a measuring stick on how he’ll fare against other fighters at 140.. he’s very unpredictable. JT being drained or being out the ring long wasn’t his fault, but in my opinion the Catterall fight can’t be ignored. I think Jack would give Teo stupendous problems, in fact I’d take him over Teo 1000%. It’s not that he’s more talented, I can just see his awkwardness as a southpaw and disciplined style winning him a decision. In fact I’d probably be more inclined to pick Catterall over Teo than I would Tank (confidently).

We both agree on SS

Back to Haney: Linares did catch Haney good. I see what you’re saying, Teo packs a punch and a similar punch could hurt Haney? Most definitely. BUT I think Regis at 140 is just as bigger puncher than Teo so that fight could have its moments

Unpopular opinion: I think Hitchins may be the best at 140 (definitely fundamentally, at least) how he responds to being hurt etc needs to be seen.

140 also has some very good fighters Mercado, GRJ, Ergashev, Matias, Barboza and some other very good fighters that can spoil the show for any of the ‘big names’

Even at 135 I think alot of guys are over-looking Raymond Muratalla. He’s a beast

[messi807]

I mean if you're barely selling out the small room at Madison Square gardens the promoters ain't gonna pay you $10 million dollars a fight even tho he's probably had the two best wins out of that group of tank Haney Garcia shakur etc but Tanks selling tickets and haney must of have great management to be able to get the money he's getting because he also isn't a big draw. But he should be turning up ringside to Haney-prograis or to the next tank or Garcia fight and try and get a slice of there pies because he ain't gonna get big money fighting whoever on top rank cards

They both sell more than Teo and do better viewership numbers, consistently.

This is why Shakur Stevenson received around 3 million for fighting Robson Conceicao and Teo only got 2.3 million for (Previously Undisputed) Josh Taylor.

Haney getting 6 million for Regis.

Its incomparable. TR do not see Teo as a draw, nor do they see major potential $$ wise and he isn’t one.

Now do you have anything factual to say?

[shaheed1972]

For starters... I appreciate and respect your take/opinion as opposed to some people on here, being fanboys, who take offense to any criticism about their favorite fighters. They usually are quick to jump to childish insults.

As far as Tank/Teo goes... I understand your points about Teo's chin being questionable. However, I still think Tank hasn't fought anyone noteworthy or as skilled/hard hitting as Teo. Pitbull doesn't count to me... Nor does most of Tank's resume (as far as my opinion goes). I think a non injured Tank will mop the floor with Pitbull, I don't even want to see that rematch as it holds up the progress of all the big name fights in the division. I don't rate Garcia well at all, and I don't want to hear people saying **** like "tank only won because of the rehydration clause that was put on Ryan!" Don't sign the fkn contract! Tank's win vs Garcia is meaningless to me. I feel Teo has been off in some fights where he shouldn't have been. Not to make excuses, but it's safe to say his mental health is absolutely unpredictable... but I do think he will definitely show up when it's someone he knows he shouldn't play around with. We saw that vs Kambosos... and he paid the price. I don't think he would play around with Tank. He definitely didn't play around when it came to Lomachenko. Loma has no one else but to blame but himself for his shytty/scared performance... Tank has NEVER fought Loma, which I believe Tank and his team have been scared of all these years. I recall Tank and Floyd going as far as saying they don't need Loma for Tank's legacy which I call bull****. Tank has no legacy defining wins. Garcia, Pitbull, Barrios, Rollie, aren't legacy fights in any way shape or form. Loma and Taylor are bigger and better wins for Teo, more so than Tank's entire resume. Tank can't even say he fought a past prime Loma, or a drained past prime Taylor. Tank can't even say he has beat a PAST PRIME CHAMPION.

As far as I'm concerned in the case of Teo vs Taylor... It's not Teo's fault that Taylor signed the contract. I am a huge fan of Spence, but I HAD TO GIVE CRAWFORD his credit. It's not Crawford's fault that Spence signed the contract. Maybe the fight should've happened years prior... but that didn't happen, and I accept and respect the results. Same as Teo vs Taylor. Teo had a phenomenal performance against Taylor... We can't sit here and say that Taylor vs Teo would have been completely different because we saw it different circumstances. We can't go based off of **** that didn't happen. Teo did what he had to do against a skilled/lineal champion.

I rate Shakur's skills very high. It's more like a 70/30 now that I think about it lol... Say Teo vs Shakur happens. Shakur is one of those people that I truly can't see being beat by anyone. It's not to say he's invincible and no one has a chance, but those chances are slim. Shakur beats Haney and Teo, possibly dominates both of them.

60/40 against Haney? The more I think about this one... I also think it's more like 70/30 when it comes to Teo vs Haney. In favor of Teo of course... Teo beat Lomachenko, who he dominated. Haney's win vs Lomachenko was not domination by any stretch of the meaning... obviously it was quite controversial. I do not even think Haney beat Loma... At some point in the fight, Haney was slapped around, badly, and looked like a deer in the headlights. The moments Haney had against Loma were good, but not concerning for Loma's corner/team. Questionable chins? Well hey, it's boxing. Everyone gets caught right? Haney DEFINITELY has a questionable chin from what we've been seen. He did dominate Linares, but god damn we all seen Haney... (as the black people call it, which i love this term lol) do the stanky leg going back to his corner vs Linares, who was DEFINITELY past prime. I can't imagine how Haney would react vs a power shot from Lopez. Haney has already proved himself as someone who lacks power. I promise you Lopez will tag Haney. Haney definitely needs to fight a perfect fight vs Lopez, and I truly believe Lopez would absolutely show up if they fought.

I'm sure you didn't expect a novel in response but I have some calculated/well thought out opinions. There's a lot more I could say but I don't want to type anymore. This is the kind of **** that would be better talked over a beer in person, which I'm sure won't happen hahaha

Gotta disagree with you on everything but the Shakur fight.

Tank beats Teo. I think you're right about Tank's comp. However, both Teo and Tank are counter punchers. I think Tank has the higher IQ and better chin. Teo would make a mistake before Tank would and get caught. Teo won't survive that mistake. I don't think Teo can really hurt Tank.
As for Dev he simply put boxes Teo. Teo is best when he can counter a fighter. He's not countering Devin. Teo looks bad when he tries to press a fight and Devin is at his best when on the back foot. Devin also hits hard enough to keep Teo honest. Teo probably has the weakest chin of all of them. He's been dropped by two soft punchers when coming forward. Devin is more skilled and hits a little harder than both of them. Not to mention Devin schooled Teo when they sparred. Teo admitted that. I think there's a reason Teo has actively avoided that match up.

[Elheath]

Teo is probably sick looking at what Devin is bringing in. Seeing a "boring" fighter making more than you, selling out bigger venues than you, the "wrong" religion and so forth. I know it's eating him up.

The big irony here is that bluntly put, Teo himself is one of the biggest reason why Haney is bringing in what he's bringing in right now. The fact that he defeated Loma but then lost to friggin Kambosos (who Haney defeated) was really what indirectly led to Haney getting in the position he is right now.

Like it or not, Teo...you are a two division champion with currently one belt in 140. Haney is a former undisputed lightweight champion who's challenging for his first belt in 140 to be become a two division champion. Oh, and he's younger, and undefeated just to add on.