Francis Ngannou, Tyson Fury trivia question

[F!x]

Jesus Christ you are worthless. Dig your parents up out of the ground and punch them both in the mouth for the ****ty job they did raising you.

Relax, it's just boxing talk. No need to get that personal unless you're that kid in the photo, then that childish outburst is understandable. We were all kids once.

[Marchegiano]

I'll start with a solid and move into less solid ground.

Primo as the reigning NBA World Champion (NBA was major and is WBA today) fought Harold Mays in a non-title, non-exhibition match on Aug 11 1933 in New York. I don't have an explanation as to why it isn't on boxrec, but, if you're going to get into history I can tell you, get used to boxrec not having complete records of old time champions and having the wrong results from some fights when dealing with old time characters.

But before Primo there was **** like exhibition and non-title fight didn't mean what they mean today. There was no record keeper like boxrec. For a while there was books but even then they were a bit chaotic with labels because there was no standard. Today we relabel what those fights were as best we can but the reality is a lot of the early champions had fights we call exhibitions today that they did not call exhibitions back then.

Before boxing put on gloves the GOAT of taking a title hostage, Jem Ward, not only had non-title fights, but he lost them, and he did not declare the fight being a non-title fight until after he lost them.

Going back even farther, James Figg was a dictator of sorts. Today we just call him champion over the period he presided in but when James Figg was running his Amphitheatre he would just pick which of his students to declare as champion. This guy could not lose his title by losing a fight. He could only lose by Figg saying he's not the best anymore and a new kid is. So, yeah, lots of non-title fights ... kinda.

Before then, no, never. The ancient greeks and romans or medieval venetians and russians would have never thought to have a champion in a no-lose situation. Their champs fight often, the results stick, and glory is fleeting in that time.



If you've never seen my works, lmk, I have a butt ton of good history for you bud.

[Toffee]

Hard to research, but this is the best I can get; Foreman may have been an ex champ by then. Wiki has his second reign as 1994 to 1995. Foreman's fight against Briggs was 1997 and was an eliminator to challenge Lennox Lewis for his world title. (Can't look up which title right now because boxrec is a piece of sht)

He was certainly an ex belt holder, but he was the current lineal champ going into the fight against Briggs.

That differentiates the fight from Spinks going in against Tyson. Spinks didn't hold a belt but was the lineal champion... but Tyson's belts were on the line.

I would argue Fury's lineal status was on the line against Ngannou. Making it a title fight of sorts.

Mind you I still dispute Fury's lineal status but that's another story.

As is the story that if a Lineal Champion can be banned for drugs, defend against Ngannou (or Pianeta, Seferi, Schwarz, Wallin, Chisora, for that matter)... then why do we even talk about lineal status as having any kind of worth.

[Marchegiano]

As is the story that if a Lineal Champion can be banned for drugs, defend against Ngannou (or Pianeta, Seferi, Schwarz, Wallin, Chisora, for that matter)... then why do we even talk about lineal status as having any kind of worth.

Because Ring magazine told you to. ... I think you might know the story though so I am more curious if you have a reason beyond Ring told people to give a **** about lineal?

[User Name HERE]

Holmes vs Frazer

[Marchegiano]

Holmes vs Frazer

Good one, solid.

100 points. Mostly because I thought Holmes got stripped but he didn't until after. Welcome to the league.

[Dr. Z]

Fury vs Ngannou was a non title heavyweight match involving a reigning World Heavyweight champion.
This is a very rare occurrence, but it has happened before. When was the last time this happened?

YES, but you have to go all the way back to Jack Johnson. The are others.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Joe Louis vs Johnny Davis is another example. 1940’s.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Hard to research, but this is the best I can get; Foreman may have been an ex champ by then. Wiki has his second reign as 1994 to 1995. Foreman's fight against Briggs was 1997 and was an eliminator to challenge Lennox Lewis for his world title. (Can't look up which title right now because boxrec is a piece of sht)

Foreman still held the lineal title but no abc belts.

Lewis was WBC champ.

[QueensburyRules]

Fury vs Ngannou was a non title heavyweight match involving a reigning World Heavyweight champion.
This is a very rare occurrence, but it has happened before. When was the last time this happened?

- - They fought for the WBC Riyadh Belt, a new title belonging to Francis that Blubber and Boxing Establishment stole...FACT!!!


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