Fury was the same Fury that destroyed Wilder

[The plunger man]

- - U and Jellymon sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G l'l floydy and he crack daddy.

McG landed 111 easy to score punches on l'l floydy whose whole career of note is Vegas retirements.

Older than dirt and twice as dumdum as a rock Byrd had to pull the fight to keep from embarrassing boxing any further.

Then l'l floydy guarantee he fannies he gonna KO youtuber Logan who ended up pounding him from pillar to post. Poor fannies lost their wad that night.

How much U lose?

why do you insist on talking like a complete imbecile…….someth8mg is not right with you honeybee

[M312]

Fighters at his age, even younger, rarely change. He made some change in his style however, not too big, like a complete change, but he is more aggressive and moving forward for several years now. Yeah, prone to take some punches, but so far his head proved hard, regardless the knockdowns, he didn't lose (a dangerous game to play in some cases). It is just that he is not much of a power puncher, but no one has the full package anyway. Him, moving forward is good enough, he is just reckless sometimes, but won against good opponents that way. I would prefer him fighting as he used to do before moving with Sugar Hill, but... At least I hope he can still do it in his old style if needed.

In a way I get him why he fights as he does now - he is just too big and as I said - it is pretty normal to use your size in a fight.

He was absolutely not in a good shape against Francis, it is not an excuse, he has all the blame and shame on himself because of that. But Francis was static and waited to land the big punch - fair enough if it's not that poor activity is punishable by the rules.

He was in perfectly fine shape. The same as v Wilder. He just can't fight moving forward. He got found out. Anything else is an excuse.

You said he's beaten good fighters on the front foot. Who? Wilder is the only one.

Look at his fights.
McDermott, Ngannou - Tyson tried to plough through them, couldn't - they were stronger.
Wallin - he walked onto shots all night.
The knockdowns v Cunningham and Pajkic, he tried to pressure them and got caught square.

Against Wlad, even Whyte he was patient and defensive. Chisora, he just danced around him and destroyed him with a jab.

What others fights are there to discuss.

There was nothing wrong with his shape. We see it time and again. When he thinks he can walk through someone, he falls into trouble.

[N/A]

He was in perfectly fine shape. The same as v Wilder. He just can't fight moving forward. He got found out. Anything else is an excuse.

You said he's beaten good fighters on the front foot. Who? Wilder is the only one.

Look at his fights.
McDermott, Ngannou - Tyson tried to plough through them, couldn't - they were stronger.
Wallin - he walked onto shots all night.
The knockdowns v Cunningham and Pajkic, he tried to pressure them and got caught square.

Against Wlad, even Whyte he was patient and defensive. Chisora, he just danced around him and destroyed him with a jab.

What others fights are there to discuss.

There was nothing wrong with his shape. We see it time and again. When he thinks he can walk through someone, he falls into trouble.

As I said - he beat enough good fighters that way and you confirm it. I also said that when he fights that way, he is a bit reckless which is weird because he knows how to be patient. And I repeat: I think he is better when fighting technical, but not pressuring.

For the shape he was in his Ngannou fight - ok, it seems we won't agree, but he not only was very fat, he also had lost some muscles, look at his shoulders and arms.

[M312]

As I said - he beat enough good fighters that way and you confirm it. I also said that when he fights that way, he is a bit reckless which is weird because he knows how to be patient. And I repeat: I think he is better when fighting technical, but not pressuring.

For the shape he was in his Ngannou fight - ok, it seems we won't agree, but he not only was very fat, he also had lost some muscles, look at his shoulders and arms.

He always looks like that. He was not out of shape.

His come forward style simply got exposed - again, like it has countless times. If he was patient and boxed he would've won easily.
Instead most had him losing.

He's just not very good on the front foot. Wilder is the only 'good' boxer, he has beaten with that style. The rest who troubled him were journeymen, not 'good fighters' like you say.

He is, however, supreme in defence. He simply got it wrong on the night. He wasn't good enough.

[MONGOOSE66]

Some people suggesting he didn't really train, he was no different to how he was in Wilder 3. Same shape, same style, same falling in on shots and coming in square.

Ngannou was just stronger, stood his ground and countered instead of backing off.

Wilder fell apart from the pressure, can't counter or fight on the inside.

This is similar to when Tyson lost to John McDemott. John took the centre of the ring and Tyson didn't have an answer.

It's the same Tyson we've seen for years. If his size doesn't work, he has trouble.

Your wisdom seems to be accurate when you know the outcome. Fat people like Fury Carry the same look wether their in shape or not. Theirs not much difference. You’ll NEVER see a AJ body on Fury. So………

[PRINCEKOOL]

There was no grappling there, Mayweather doesn't fight that way. Fury is a boxer who needs to grab on to his opponents, lean his full weight onto them and push them back and around while assaulting them. This is how he wears them out. Obviously it backfired against a fighter who can actually grapple.

You still really gotta work on that grammar too, I still have issues trying to understand you.

There definitively was grappling mate, and Floyd Mayweather Junior pushed Mcgregor about.

Fury's brute strength is overrated 'Fury has only ever bulled forward vs fighters who he out weighs by 30 to 40 pounds. So I am not actually contesting your opinion on Fury's wrestling ability, I don't rate it very highly myself'.

The notion that Fury is some kind of monster fighter on the inside, is a narrative promoted by his hardcore fans.

Fury typically has always fought other super heavyweights on the back foot. Kiltschko, Chisora II & III, Whyte, Ngannou 'Fury fought all of those fighters on the back foot'.

Steve USS Cunningham, and Deontay Wilder 'Those are the two fights, which have bestow Fury with the stereotype that he has a all-time great ability at bulling forward vs other Heavyweights.

But if you look closer at Fury's resume, and analyse as to when he uses such tactics with great success? Fury has only really had great success bulling forward vs fighters who he has out weighed by 30 to 40 pounds 'Any other time Fury has decided to use those tactics vs another Super Heavyweights or Heavyweights who he does not out weigh by 30 to 40 pounds, those fights have been extremely difficult fights for him i.e Wallin, Chisora I, Mcderrmott I'.

Note: So I am not actually disagreeing with you on Fury's ability to grapple and wrestle with other fighters who are renowned for their brute strength 'Fury's ability in this area is a tad overrated'.

Moving on further past that point, I don't think it is for certain that a mixed martial fighter is just going to be able to out wrestle all boxers in the clinch. As I stated in my first posts 'Floyd Mayweather Junior, came out of retirement and pushed around a Conor Mcgregor at his absolute peak inside of the ring. Mcgregor was also out weighing Mayweather most likely by 20 + pounds on fight night' etc.