Floyd has lw power at ww FACT

[jrosales13]

joto had 925 ppv buy for the Mayorga fight. Check your iri on that one Al. If Floyd is the cash cow how come he can't fight a lesser known opponent and draw like joto. He is the cash cow, right?

Exactly! Now I am not saying that he is not the cash cow or that he is not a draw. However, if he is the draw and the cash cow that he thinks he is and that his fans think he is. Than he can do 400k by himself. He could of fought a true WW. And, still get at least 8-10mil. The only he does not get that type of money if in reality he is not the big of a draw. And, his opponents like Oscar, Hatton, and JMM sold the PPV.

[jrosales13]

Since his fight with gatti count up his ppv buys then tell me who has more in the same time frame. If there is someone with more than that man is the ppv king/cash cow if it is however him then he is. So if indeed he is stop with all the hyothetical bull**** matchups and reasons why he should be able to fight any bum and produce great numbers, as a way to take that title away from him.

Is not bs bro and what title are you talking about? The PPV king title? I didn't know that they gave that title. Hmm one more worthless title in boxin. But, anyways if he would of fought Collazo a true top 10 WW in his first fight. And, they do at least 400k. 1. he would get respect and credit for a victory. 2. 400k would be a success, he showed he can do good numbers by himself. Floyd Mayweather comeback against Collazo give me your predictions on how many PPV it would of sold?

[Kalion]

Exactly! Now I am not saying that he is not the cash cow or that he is not a draw. However, if he is the draw and the cash cow that he thinks he is and that his fans think he is. Than he can do 400k by himself. He could of fought a true WW. And, still get at least 8-10mil. The only he does not get that type of money if in reality he is not the big of a draw. And, his opponents like Oscar, Hatton, and JMM sold the PPV.

You live in converse? Did you play football in highschool?

As far as floyd being a draw or whatever your really wasting you time trying to discredit him. You cant prove that of the people who have bought PPV he has fought in, x amount bought it for him and y for his opponent and that y>>>>x. Theres noone unless we survey a reasonable amount of people who actually bought the fight then we can look at those numbers. So just drop it, floyd can sell a ppv just not in the conventional way of telling his fans to support him.

[IMDAZED]

My bad on the comeback. Thanks.

...and every time I think about that third tarver fight, i curl up in a fetal postition and weep softly.

Not only did the second fight ruin one of my beach vacations, I had to see one of my boxing gods running away from Antonio Tarver.

Fight was disgusting. Roy in the ring facing his demons and me shelling out $55 to watch it. Ugh.

But the point remains - the man took 15 months off and faced a LHW...actually, the LHW who flattened him. So I'll give him a pass if, after getting drubbed again, he fought King Idaho next.

[Kalion]

Is not bs bro and what title are you talking about? The PPV king title? I didn't know that they gave that title. Hmm one more worthless title in boxin. But, anyways if he would of fought Collazo a true top 10 WW in his first fight. And, they do at least 400k. 1. he would get respect and credit for a victory. 2. 400k would be a success, he showed he can do good numbers by himself. Floyd Mayweather comeback against Collazo give me your predictions on how many PPV it would of sold?

Im not about to make up any bull**** predictions, none of us are PPV analyist. I know this numbers dont lie. PBF has the most ppv buys in the last 5 years, fact. He was one side to the highest grossing fight and highest number of ppv for 1 fight in boxing history, Fact. Even now with PAC getting ready to fight Cotto in a mega bout, they are already trying to set up PBF vs PAC. If floyd wasnt a draw then why is everyone trying to fight him? You can say what you want about him being ppv king is a "worthless title" but your sitting here arguing with me about it and trying to discredit him so it must mean something.

[Al Haymon]

Why can't you sell that PPV. Floyd is a draw right? He is a cash cow right? I mean it could do at least 400k on PPV wouldn't it? that would be a success and you didn't to pay them what you paid for JMM. I mean of course it would sell. Cuz Floyd is the mr PPV. I mean a passed his prime Oscar and an old Yory Boy Campass sold what 500K? I know it was more than 400k. I mean Floyd could do that by himself right? And, you add Collazo or Quintana and you get the Puerto ricans to but the PPV. That would do like 500k. If its againt Soto Karrass. You would have the Mexicans buying it.

In honestly if he is the draw, the cash cow, that he and his fans thinks he is then he should of done that with no problem. I know Oscar would of. Unless his high PPV numbers is due cuz of what his fans bringing in? Unless he is piggy backing his opponents fan base to get those PPV? And, if that's the case then he is not really the big draw. His opponents are the big draw.

Sigh.

I'm a bit disappointed in your one-sided hate, so I'm going to give up.

Quite simply, it takes two. It takes a compelling STORY to sell a fight. Any fight. Do you think Oscar-Forbes was non-PPV because Oscar really and genuinely out of the goodness of his heart wanted to "donate" a fight to the fans? Seriously?

Floyd is a draw. A very big draw. You can ignore it, or deny it. That's fine. It doesn't change the reality, or what every promoter and TV executive knows. Based on the absence of data in your posts, i can tell that you are not in/related to the business and that's cool. You are a passionate fan.

But you are not posting from the passionate fan perspective; you are posting business opinions. And i would respectfully counsel you not to do that because your perspectives are not grounded in data.

Oscar was smart with regards to who he chose to fight: Bernard, vargas, mayorga, floyd, pacquiao. He chose other guys who are either charismatic, or have proven commercial appeal. That is the smart thing to do.

That is also what Floyd did. Sure, Floyd could have had 400K fans tune in to watch him slap collazo for 12 rounds. But what is the point in going to training camp and busting your butt, when you can slap Marquez for 12 rounds and make 3x the money.

You have a job. Do you mean to tell me that if your boss walks in and offers you 3x your salary, that you will turn it down? Really?

I can post the opinions of people who are INSIDE the industry regarding Mr. Mayweather's commercial viability. But something tells me that your mind is already made up, and I will spare us both the time. I will allow you to convince yourself that Floyd can't sell a fight.

Cheers, mate. Best to you.

side note: You just said that a "passed prime" Oscar beat Shane Mosley.

[Al Haymon]

So you just proved that for all the people that knew about the tecate promotion helped bump the numbers because of the lower price. You just proved it yourself the reduced cost helped increase the buyrate so why don't you use your iri subscription to think of a way to disprove yourself.

I did not prove anything. I offered a PERSONAL opinion and habit. I also said that I would buy the fight whether I got a discount or not. In fact, they sell tecate but I drank Amstel. Soooo, what does that "prove"?

What kind of logic do you use? Jeez.


LParm,

You said that the Tecate promotion had an impact "big time". I am asking you what "big time" means.

Is that 1%, 5%, 25%...or 50%...or 90%?? Just provide some data. Otherwise, you are just making things up.

[iHateThePacMan]

floyd might be shot on his power area, but his reflexes is still there.

[Al Haymon]

What do you mean or so?

Holyfield is still active and he has more overall buys than Floyd. (waiting for Al to check his iri on that one LOL)

Don't let the guy from the boxinginfo YT videos give you bad info....ok?

[jrosales13]

You live in converse? Did you play football in highschool?

As far as floyd being a draw or whatever your really wasting you time trying to discredit him. You cant prove that of the people who have bought PPV he has fought in, x amount bought it for him and y for his opponent and that y>>>>x. Theres noone unless we survey a reasonable amount of people who actually bought the fight then we can look at those numbers. So just drop it, floyd can sell a ppv just not in the conventional way of telling his fans to support him.

No i moved to Converse last year. I am origanally from L.A.

Bro I don't think you understanding my point. I am not trying to discredit Floyd. Again I am not saying he is not a draw. I think he could do 400k with Collazo. Collazo brings no fans. That would be all Floyd. Like when Floyd fough Baldomir he did 300k+. Again 400k with Collazo I would call it a success. But, if he can't do 400k then can we really say he is the biggest draw? Nobody is on his level? That is all I am asking. Again I am not saying that he is not a draw. But, if he fought Clottey, Collazo, Quintan, or Soto Karass and cant do 400k? Then how is the cash cow? That is all I am asking.

All I am saying is that a passed his prime Oscar did close to 500k with a very old 'Yory Boy' Campass. Then Floyd shoud be able to do the same type of numbers with the likes of Collazo and fighters of that ilk. What is wrong with that statement?