AJ should fight Tony Yoka next

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  • JakeTheBoxer
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    #11
    Originally posted by _Rexy_
    Battle of two gifted gold medals
    I just came here to say the same hahahaa...

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      #12
      Joshua`s best chance is Hrgovic, if Hrgovic can beat Wallin for vacant IBF title.

      I don`t think Joshua wants to fight Zhang or Wallin, no sir.

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        #13
        Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT

        Team Joshua’s fear of southpaws is weird man, Usyk being a southpaw wasn’t the problem, Usyk being a far superior boxer was the problem.
        Joshua only fought Usyk , becuase Usyk was his mandatory.

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          #14
          Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT

          Whyte and Joshua were novices, Joshua and Zhang were seniors fighting in the Olympics.

          Whether it happens or not is irrelevant, Zhang is a very winnable fight for AJ.
          I think it's a very unwinnable fight for AJ at this stage. But this is just my opinion against yours.

          What isn't opinion is whether they make the Zhang fight or whether they put AJ in with another pudding. If they put AJ in with a pudding it shows they lack confidence against Zhang, hence they don't see it as a very winnable fight.

          34 year old AJ might beat anyone in your imagination but he has to get in the ring and prove it. That means not fighting jobbers like Franklin and Helenius, let alone having tough fights with them.

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            #15
            Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT

            Team Joshua’s fear of southpaws is weird man, Usyk being a southpaw wasn’t the problem, Usyk being a far superior boxer was the problem.
            Statistically southpaws are a massive problem:

            - One of Holyfield's five losses in his 30's was to southpaw Moorer - One of Vitali's two losses was to southpaw Byrd - One of Wlad's four losses in his 20's and 30's was to southpaw Sanders - Two of Joshua's three losses have come against southpaw Usyk 5/14 or 36%: southpaws have beaten these top heavyweights at 2-3

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              #16
              Originally posted by deathofaclown

              That was AJ's 2nd amateur fight when Whyte beat him. He barely had any experience. Dillian had been fighting I'm combat sports for years by then from a young age and was a good kickboxer and boxer. Its hardly a surprise that AJ lost that one.

              On the flipside, AJ was actually still quite a novice even as an amateur when he beat Zhang. Aj had only been boxing a couple of years.

              Anyway, amateur and pro's very different. AJ can beat Zhang as a pro, but I wouldn't be confident of this version that's lacking in confidence to do it. But he has the ability to...

              Zhang is nothing special. People only know him from his last few fights and fighting an idiot like Joyce that defends with his face.

              Zhang will look completely different against top heavyweights who don't use their chin as their only defence. He's very beatable.

              AJ would chin Zhang if he was confident like he used to be.
              "He's very beatable."

              Zhang has obvious weaknesses: below average gas tank and slow feet. But he has a lot of good attributes and is a dangerous fighter, especially for someone who got beat down and quit in 7 against fringe contender Andy Ruiz. And whose pro record against southpaws is 1-2.

              Zhang didn't just demolish Joyce x2 (who beat Parker, Dubois, edged Jennings), many if not most thought he deserved the decision against Hrgovic and Zhang certainly inflicted most of the damage, maybe a huge majority, despite getting outworked.

              I don't think a 34 year old mentally shopworn AJ has a good chance against Zhang. Maybe I'm wrong but we'll see if Hearn thinks I'm wrong.

              It'll be Yoka or Kabayel is my guess.
              Last edited by NEETzschean; 10-11-2023, 10:55 PM.

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              • deathofaclown
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                #17
                Originally posted by NEETzschean

                "He's very beatable."

                Zhang has obvious weaknesses: below average gas tank and slow feet. But he has a lot of good attributes and is a dangerous fighter, especially for someone who got beat down and quit in 7 against fringe contender Andy Ruiz. And whose pro record against southpaws is 1-2.

                Zhang didn't just demolish Joyce x2 (who beat Parker, Dubois, edged Jennings), many if not most thought he deserved the decision against Hrgovic and Zhang certainly inflicted most of the damage, maybe a huge majority, despite getting outworked.

                I don't think a 34 year old mentally shopworn AJ has a good chance against Zhang. Maybe I'm wrong but we'll see if Hearn thinks I'm wrong.

                It'll be Yoka or Kabayel is my guess.
                Yoka would be ideal if AJ wants to look good and gain more confidence. Not the easiest to market when he Yoka couldn't beat a 65 year old takam. But Yoka should still be good enough to be a half decent open but no real risk to AJ.

                Kabayel isn't great but he has a style that can be difficult to look good against. It wouldn't surprise me at all if AJ fought him and beat him but made it a struggle. Not the best idea when they're trying to rebuild his confidence.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by NEETzschean

                  I think it's a very unwinnable fight for AJ at this stage. But this is just my opinion against yours.

                  What isn't opinion is whether they make the Zhang fight or whether they put AJ in with another pudding. If they put AJ in with a pudding it shows they lack confidence against Zhang, hence they don't see it as a very winnable fight.

                  34 year old AJ might beat anyone in your imagination but he has to get in the ring and prove it. That means not fighting jobbers like Franklin and Helenius, let alone having tough fights with them.
                  He’s already beat Zhang. As I’ve said, based on their amateur fight, it’s a winnable fight for Joshua.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by NEETzschean

                    Statistically southpaws are a massive problem:

                    https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...p-heavyweights
                    Usyk being a southpaw was irrelevant. Joshua is flat footed, limited head movement, no inside game, against a fleet footed, technically skilled and accurate fighter he’s always gonna have the same problems.

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                      #20
                      Oh yeah, I forgot about him. Yoka v wilder.

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