Southpaws are hugely overrepresented as victors against top heavyweights

[NEETzschean]

- One of Holyfield's five losses in his 30's was to southpaw Moorer


- One of Vitali's two losses was to southpaw Byrd


- One of Wlad's four losses in his 20's and 30's was to southpaw Sanders


- Two of Joshua's three losses have come against southpaw Usyk


5/14 or 36%: southpaws have beaten these top heavyweights at 2-3 times the rate of orthodox fighters.


- Even in defeat, southpaws are often among the most competitive and dangerous opponents: Thompson vs Wlad 1, Ortiz vs Wilder 1, Wallin vs Fury. Furthermore, Wlad, Wilder and Fury all had a lot of southpaw experience


- Holmes, Tyson, Bowe and Lewis never fought a southpaw of note as pros


- Holmes was KO’d twice by a 5’10, 205 lbs, future journeyman southpaw as an amateur


- At least 2/8 of Ali’s amateur losses came against southpaws and he had one of his most competitive pre-Frazier fights against Mildenberger: a 6’1.5, 195 lbs southpaw Euro champ with mediocre amateur pedigree, a suspect chin and relatively little power


- Joe Louis admitted to ducking southpaws: “I don’t want absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with no southpaws. Bettina is out.”


Southpaw heavyweights barely existed prior to the 90's due to American trainers generally converting southpaws to orthodox, nobody wanted to fight them (hence most historical heavyweights and trainers were untested against them and prior to Holyfield, never encountered a champion level 175+ lbs southpaw), there wasn’t a southpaw heavyweight title challenger until 1966 (European champion Mildenberger), a southpaw heavyweight titlist until 1994 (former LHW titlist Moorer) and the two most accomplished southpaw heavyweights prior to Usyk were former sub-cruisers.

[GrandpaBernard]

It strange

Is there an ATG Southpaw Heavyweight

[HeadShots]

southpaws have higher peaks but lower valleys.


On their best night, they are usually amazing..... but they are rarely consistent. which is why they don't have a long time heavyweight reign.



I see this in many southpaw greats. Moorer for example out-gutted Holyfield in war of attrition. Then got 1 punched by Foreman with 2 rounds to go. He was up on the cards.


Pac on his best day knocked out Cotto, then gets 1 punched by a 40 yo JMM.

Pac beats Thurman in his 40's but struggled against Horn.


They are just not as consistent. They are like artists by nature.


Zhang can 1 punch KO the strongest chin at HW but then go to a draw with a scrub.

[Roadblock]

Sth paws are a lot more prevalent today and its always been awkward for orthodox guys to fight them, elite Sth Paws have that advantage, and they get to spar with orthodox fighters pretty much all the time, it amazes me just how many guys that lose to them circle towards a Sth paws power hand.

[NEETzschean]

southpaws have higher peaks but lower valleys.


On their best night, they are usually amazing..... but they are rarely consistent. which is why they don't have a long time heavyweight reign.



I see this in many southpaw greats. Moorer for example out-gutted Holyfield in war of attrition. Then got 1 punched by Foreman with 2 rounds to go. He was up on the cards.


Pac on his best day knocked out Cotto, then gets 1 punched by a 40 yo JMM.

Pac beats Thurman in his 40's but struggled against Horn.


They are just not as consistent. They are like artists by nature.


Zhang can 1 punch KO the strongest chin at HW but then go to a draw with a scrub.

Usyk's been consistent his whole career. Luis Ortiz was always good before he got too old and worn, same for Tony Thompson. Being left-handed doesn't make you inconsistent. There just weren't many southpaw heavies in the past because American gyms typically converted them to orthodox when they first started training.

[NEETzschean]

It strange

Is there an ATG Southpaw Heavyweight

There are no southpaw ATG's in terms of HW resume. Americans basically prohibited the southpaw stance, forcing lefties to fight orthodox when they first started training in most gyms. So historical heavies would be clueless against good southpaws.

Usyk is the best southpaw heavyweight and the most accomplished. After that Moorer, Byrd and Sanders all have big wins.

[Roadblock]

southpaws have higher peaks but lower valleys.


On their best night, they are usually amazing..... but they are rarely consistent. which is why they don't have a long time heavyweight reign.



I see this in many southpaw greats. Moorer for example out-gutted Holyfield in war of attrition. Then got 1 punched by Foreman with 2 rounds to go. He was up on the cards.


Pac on his best day knocked out Cotto, then gets 1 punched by a 40 yo JMM.

Pac beats Thurman in his 40's but struggled against Horn.


They are just not as consistent. They are like artists by nature.


Zhang can 1 punch KO the strongest chin at HW but then go to a draw with a scrub.

Cotto was weight affected Manny would not fight him without the CW, JMM was too but in the opposite direction where it backfired, Roach said they wanted JMM to stand and trade that's why they refused his request for 144 and held him to 147, Roach got his wish JMM was stronger at the higher weight and did trade.

Thurman was of surgery and long layoffs looked bad in his comeback fight then Manny.

Horn he took lightly and one thing Horn was strong as an ox highly motivated and in his hometown, and he was young, Manny would stop him if he took the fight seriously.

There are reasons for everything, the Devil is in the details they say.

[HeadShots]

Cotto was weight affected Manny would not fight him without the CW, JMM was too but in the opposite direction where it backfired, Roach said they wanted JMM to stand and trade that's why they refused his request for 144 and held him to 147, Roach got his wish JMM was stronger at the higher weight and did trade.

Thurman was of surgery and long layoffs looked bad in his comeback fight then Manny.

Horn he took lightly and one thing Horn was strong as an ox highly motivated and in his hometown, and he was young, Manny would stop him if he took the fight seriously.

There are reasons for everything, the Devil is in the details they say.

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[HeadShots]

Usyk's been consistent his whole career. Luis Ortiz was always good before he got too old and worn, same for Tony Thompson. Being left-handed doesn't make you inconsistent. There just weren't many southpaw heavies in the past because American gyms typically converted them to orthodox when they first started training.

Usyk got KOed by Dubois.


That was a legit KO. it was a corrupt ref that gave him 5 minutes to recover.


he can outbox Joshua but get 1 punched by a scrub the next fight. He can beat Beterbiev in the amateurs but lose to Shawn Porter.


his pro career is also too short to really be mentioned alongside Moorer, Pac and the likes

[NEETzschean]

Usyk got KOed by Dubois.


That was a legit KO. it was a corrupt ref that gave him 5 minutes to recover.


he can outbox Joshua but get 1 punched by a scrub the next fight. He can beat Beterbiev in the amateurs but lose to Shawn Porter.


his pro career is also too short to really be mentioned alongside Moorer, Pac and the likes

"Usyk got KOed by Dubois."

Ali got KO'd by midget LHW Henry Cooper. It was a corrupt corner/ref blah blah blah.

Usyk has been consistently vulnerable to the body throughout his career and Dubois is a 6'4.5, 233 lbs power punching behemoth, albeit with a weak chin and a total lack of heart.

"lose to Shawn Porter"

He was a novice middleweight you dunce. Ali also lost a number of times to nobodies in the amateurs and was even KO'd by one. Usyk has been undefeated in the last 14 years, that's *consistency*.

"his pro career is also too short"

Usyk proved more in his fights with AJ than blown-up LHW Moorer (who was actually KO'd a few times, including by a 45 year old) did in his entire career. "Lewis only had 44 fights, therefore we can't compare him to 69 fight Wlad, it's too short a career".