AJ-Wilder had 4 years to agree to an Undisputed showdown. It took Fury-Usyk just 14 months to sort it out.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Very well said. People need to understand the difference between SAYING you'd beat everyone and actually doing it. I believe that TF and his entourage actually know he isn't all that, which is why he has ducked AJ twice and avoided all the top prospects. For example, Frank Warren has Joyce and Dubois in his stable so it would have been easy to make fights with those guys, and before they were beaten they were feared. But.....nope, Chisora X 3 or an mma dude. Fury doesn't even defend the belt that often. His leagcy is more about ducking fights than challenging himself. Let's see him fight three times a year against the likes of AJ, Zhiang, Makhmudhov, Anderson and Sanchez etc. that's without mentioning Usyk. There are so many questions he has not answered, as you say, it is a disservice and disrespect to actual greats to mention the PED cheat ducker in the same breath. He's a phoney.

It was the boxing media also which seem to go over the top with Fury. I think it is a symptom of today's culture with some folk 'They get carried away with the moment, or whoever is hot in the moment. I see this in other sports to, every week, every month, year there is a new greatest of all-time. There is a new athlete who should retire, and is nothing. But then the next month or performance he is on top-again.

Most boxing fans or sports fans for me? Don't really value history, and they struggle to put things into perspective. I have given Fury his credit for his two mega wins, and they are the best wins of his era in terms of historical magnitude 'The reason why I say that is because skill for skill, there may have actually been better wins. Joshua for me beat a better version of Kiltschko, and his win was more conclusion but? I still cannot rate Joshua's win greater than Fury's over Kiltschko in terms of historical magnitude.

Yes mate, Furys hardcore fans on the sly are very protective of Fury 'They were petrified before he fought Whyte, and celebratory as if that was a all-time great win. That was also a fluke knock-out, you can tell by how Fury and his team celebrated.

Note: It will be interesting of how Fury reacts to his recent form. He has gone quiet now, which suggest that the Nganonou performance was more serious than just 'Oh he never trained properly and all this nonsense. People need to think back to when Lennox Lewis loss to Hasim Rahman, fighters know when they have under prepared or been complacent 'I think Fury turn up vs Ngannou to dazzle the world, and he could not do it mate. That is why his performance has hit him hard' etc.

[N/A]

s!** Rocky Marciano doesn't count due to clear match-fixing

Fixing 43 KOs and plenty of seriously injured fighters, yeah...

[STREET CLEANER]

That fight has been postponed and anything can happen at this point. It only counts when they actually fight.

[kevin-novice]

You call that "sorting it out". Been a farce just like everything in boxing.

Khan v Brook should have happened years ago for example.

Hayes v Fury in their prime

[YGriffith]

Top 10 all time fighters dont struggle with people with 0 boxing experience.

And Fury has the belts for 3 years now and no fight against Usyk on the horizon, stop spreading BS.

He didn't rematch Wlad, he popped dirty and didnt unify with wilder in 2015, so yeah 8 years without a unification fight.

These HW are trash.

You struggled to put up a top 5 when there is a plethora of boxers you could've put there before Fury.

5-0-1 in titles fights against mostly bums is laughable.

[Apollo7]

I don't see how AJ and Wilder ever realistically had 4 years to agree to an undisputed fight. 14 months after Joshua won the WBO against Parker, he lost it against Ruiz.

[Froch_uppercut]

It was the boxing media also which seem to go over the top with Fury. I think it is a symptom of today's culture with some folk 'They get carried away with the moment, or whoever is hot in the moment. I see this in other sports to, every week, every month, year there is a new greatest of all-time. There is a new athlete who should retire, and is nothing. But then the next month or performance he is on top-again.

Most boxing fans or sports fans for me? Don't really value history, and they struggle to put things into perspective. I have given Fury his credit for his two mega wins, and they are the best wins of his era in terms of historical magnitude 'The reason why I say that is because skill for skill, there may have actually been better wins. Joshua for me beat a better version of Kiltschko, and his win was more conclusion but? I still cannot rate Joshua's win greater than Fury's over Kiltschko in terms of historical magnitude.

Yes mate, Furys hardcore fans on the sly are very protective of Fury 'They were petrified before he fought Whyte, and celebratory as if that was a all-time great win. That was also a fluke knock-out, you can tell by how Fury and his team celebrated.

Note: It will be interesting of how Fury reacts to his recent form. He has gone quiet now, which suggest that the Nganonou performance was more serious than just 'Oh he never trained properly and all this nonsense. People need to think back to when Lennox Lewis loss to Hasim Rahman, fighters know when they have under prepared or been complacent 'I think Fury turn up vs Ngannou to dazzle the world, and he could not do it mate. That is why his performance has hit him hard' etc.

Cheers for the reply. I dislike Fury for his lies and ducking and taking soft touches and drug cheating and all the rest, but the shame of his career is that he actually may be quite good. We just don't know it because he won't run the gauntlet of top guys an- d fights too infrequently. Could he look good against Zhiang, Hrgovic, AJ etc - possibly. I do doubt it - I believe Dubois and a few others would clean his clock. He's a clever and sly man, and has made the most of what I believe is mediocre talent by not doing very much since that night in Germany.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Cheers for the reply. I dislike Fury for his lies and ducking and taking soft touches and drug cheating and all the rest, but the shame of his career is that he actually may be quite good. We just don't know it because he won't run the gauntlet of top guys an- d fights too infrequently. Could he look good against Zhiang, Hrgovic, AJ etc - possibly. I do doubt it - I believe Dubois and a few others would clean his clock. He's a clever and sly man, and has made the most of what I believe is mediocre talent by not doing very much since that night in Germany.

Tyson Fury, and most of the Fury's especially Peter Fury 'All seem to be very good at reading a fight'. This something I personally don't think fighters like Joshua, Wilder are very good at to the level of Fury innately. Instead their teams are task with the objective of being astute in his area'.

Fury will deep down knows which fighters stylistically are difficult for him 'There is a reason why he chose to fight Wilder over Joshua, all those years ago'.

I think it was Shane Mcguigan who's reaction to Fury's Ngannou loss was most interesting 'He stated that Fury if you check his recent fights, seems to always stay clear of physically strong, fundamentally sound fighters. Because that is the type of fighter who will not be bamboozled by his faints or tricks, they will essentially just keep things fundamental, and it will be up to Fury to force them out of this action'.

Most of the fights Fury has been fighting in since Kiltschko? Have all been fights which stylistically really were tailor made for him 'Even still Fury made those fights way more difficult than they should of been for himself in my opinion.

Wilder apart from his power, should really be a easy fight for Fury 'Fury out weighed him on average by 40 pounds, Fury has a by far higher skill level technically and he was physically stronger. Still that trilogy was not easy for Fury, and potentially the damage he sustained in those fights may have had a carry over effect on his career. Whether this be from a physical perspective, or just in terms of his attitude'.

Chisora and Whyte, Fury was doing nothing vs Whyte until the knock out 'Up until that point it was a extremely underwhelming fight. And it was when Fury fought Chisora III, I found it to be very concerning the way Fury refused to fight a semi-retired Chisora head even after declaring that he would. Regardless those fighters stylistically were tailor made for Fury, people that understand the dynamics of boxing are aware of this 'Chisora most likely would of survived the full 12 rounds, without the referee manufacturing a stoppage'.

Yes, Fury has also been able to influence the narrative and culture in boxing during his reign 'This is a ability he has which is unique, it is just apart of his character. There are similar athletes in other sports with this ability, but it is rare'.

It is only really now? Have all those narratives that Fury and his hardcore fans created are being questioned.

Note: For sure Fury has two mega wins on his resume in terms of historical magnitude, and he is a great fighter. But I have never rated him as a great Champion, not the level of the media seem to portray. The game is still in motion, and the story of this era is still being composed etc.

[hhh1200]

Fury is a proper clown but Hill will have him ready for the Ukraine dosser. Whatever he does in terms of bobbing and weaving, and angles, his trunk is easy to hit and Fury can pick him off at a distance his a massive reach advantage. You don't have to box with him and attack his shoulders - waist all night, similar to football logic.

Fury is a bozo but he takes his medicine when he looks like trash in fights, Ngannou and Wallin. The only negative is his coke and PEDs vs Vlad and not rematching him but that fraud Ukrainian has BS'ed his way out of 3 10 counts. Guy should have 2-3 defeats on his record.

[QueensburyRules]

What a legend the Gypsy King is!

- went to Germany and dethroned a mythical fighter in his own backyard
- went to America and restored British honour while AJ/Hearns were in hiding

If he reclaims his belts from Usyk that were kidnapped by Charles Martin and Joseph Parker etc., then he has to be Top 5 ATG.

- Muhammad Ali
- Lennox Lewis
- Larry Holmes
- Tyson Fury
- ???

* midgets like Joe Louis don't count as Heavyweights
** Rocky Marciano doesn't count due to clear match-fixing

- - MonkeyMinions like U and U poster boys have never counted.

Blubber the worst disgrace in boxing history never defended his drug cheating unified, stripped of every belt he owned.

Got knocked down, whooped, and humiliated by a debutante in his last fight.

He’ll duck Usyk soon enough..,