AJ-Wilder had 4 years to agree to an Undisputed showdown. It took Fury-Usyk just 14 months to sort it out.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

PRINCEKOOL: Wilder is the King of the World! Hardest-punching man in history! If Fury can survive past the 1st round I will give him mad props yo until the end of time!

Why did you say that, then disassociate with Wilder, at the same time ramping up the Gypsy King hate? Did Tyson ruin your life? How much did you lose betting?

Completely exposed.

[dan-b]

PRINCEKOOL: Wilder is the King of the World! Hardest-punching man in history! If Fury can survive past the 1st round I will give him mad props yo until the end of time!

Why did you say that, then disassociate with Wilder, at the same time ramping up the Gypsy King hate? Did Tyson ruin your life? How much did you lose betting?

Can you post the link to that PRINCEKOOL post? I can't find it using advanced search.

[El_Mero]

Wilder, by his own admission turned down AJ to fight fury. Thats his own damn fault. Now neither of them will make close to what they couldve earned.

[paulf]

Wasn't no no-string Saudi money in that era.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Is that what Fury and Wilder thought? Truly an insider then, ya? In the end, they where both wrong then, weren't they? Their trilogy took years off their respective lives while poor A.J. was getting smashed & outskilled by every Tom, **** and Harry.

My theory differs. Wilder picked Fury because Fury was willing, and Wilder saw the title that Fury still owned, the real/lineal title as having greater value than the phony belts that Joshua was sharing around with every other challenger who showed up.

And look at us today! Is Usyk going to be paid as much as Tyson Fury?? Not.

Yes mate, I believe that is what they thought 'And yes depending on how you look at it? It backfired'.

The trilogy was not a easy walk in the park battle for ether fighter 'On many levels'.

Fury was effectively knocked out in the first fight, traumatized by Wilder's power.

Wilder was then subjected to the worst beat down, he had ever endured in his career in the second fight 'But to his credit kept on fighting, and in my opinion? The fight should not of been stopped. You quite simply, do not take a power puncher out of the fight, while he is still fighting back and trying'.

And then the third fight was, well both fighters were battered 'Fury just about got the win in my opinion, Wilder nearly got his tactics and preparation right i.e gaining mass and improving his brute strength to negate Fury's rough house tactics' But Wilder's endurance and speed seemed to have decreased in the third fight, most likely due to his gained mass not being 100% functional. It was a dramatic altercation of his conditioning from the 1st and 2nd fights'.

Fury could of fought Joshua before Wilder 'And it would of been a bigger business fight for Fury'.

Note: 80% of Fury's current reputation is because of the Wilder vs Fury trilogy 'It was that trilogy and specifically the first fight, which transcended Fury's career. So from that perspective, even though Fury & Wilder did both fight each other to avoid Joshua 'It was great match making, for both fighters especially Tyson Fury'.

Tyson Fury throughout his entire career has always been matched greatly, out of the top-4 Heavyweights he has been the best managed and promoted 'Fury has taken fights only when he really has to, and he has avoided certain fighters a certain stages of his career'.

Currently right now Fury is backed into a corner 'He ether fights Usyk next or Zhang'.

A promoter essentially wants to keep their fighters winning, that is the way Fury's career has been managed 'Joshua's career has not been managed in this way, and that is why he has a greater overall resume and it is also why he has lost' etc.

[Froch_uppercut]

When is the official date for the fight?

Wilder & Fury both fought each other to avoid Joshua 'Once upon a time'.

Everyone who is honest knows this on the sly, to be true.

Note: Fury believed Wilder was a stylistically easier fight then Joshua 'And it was the same with Wilder'.

If the fight negotiations are going in the right direction great, but there is actually official date for the fight 'We have been at this stage of proceedings for many big fights in the past' etc.

It's difficult trying to educate these Fury fools mate. He is largely hype, hype spouted by himself and his motormouth Dad. He ducked AJ, cancelled on usyk, and will now cancel a second time on Usyk. Big fraud, can't stand him, don't understand why people think he's decent. Dropped by nobodies, bludgeoned by the great otto Wallin, lost to McDermott, lost to Ngannou, can we please stop mentioning him in the same breath as Ali, Holmes, Lewis, tyson etc.

[PRINCEKOOL]

It's difficult trying to educate these Fury fools mate. He is largely hype, hype spouted by himself and his motormouth Dad. He ducked AJ, cancelled on usyk, and will now cancel a second time on Usyk. Big fraud, can't stand him, don't understand why people think he's decent. Dropped by nobodies, bludgeoned by the great otto Wallin, lost to McDermott, lost to Ngannou, can we please stop mentioning him in the same breath as Ali, Holmes, Lewis, tyson etc.

You can only hoodwinked the game for so long.

Boxing is not entirely a sport of opinion 'It is in terms of action, extremely objective'.

And Tyson Fury when you really objectively check his resume, he has not fought at elite level skill for skill for 7-8 years 'And his last real top-level fight was vs Wilder'.

Apart from those fights, Fury's entire career has basically been at domestic to high end European level.

At some point that sort of behavior as a Champion and fighter will show up inside the boxing ring 'I believe that is potentially what people are starting to witness with Fury'.

Tyson Fury is a great fighter within this era of Heavyweights, but I have never rated him as a great all-time great Champion quite simply because he does not have the feats of achievement statistically. I believe people tend to get carried away with whatever is hot right now in the moment, and Fury has been that type of fighter in boxing. I believe by in large the boxing media has disrespected its own history, and all other past all-time great Champions during this Tyson Fury reign.

Tyson Fury has two great wins over Kiltschko and Wilder, but then outside of that most Fury's current reputation is ether built up off fights he never won, or mythical head to head match ups which in my opinion has disrespected the true all-time great Champions of the sport 'How they have been dismissed, and demeaned to enhance Tyson Fury's resume and credibility. It has been unprecedented, I have never witnessed a fighter be bestowed so much greatness upon them without achieving the actual feats of achievement to capture that greatness' etc.

[Froch_uppercut]

You can only hoodwinked the game for so long.

Boxing is not entirely a sport of opinion 'It is in terms of action, extremely objective'.

And Tyson Fury when you really objectively check his resume, he has not fought at elite level skill for skill for 7-8 years 'And his last real top-level fight was vs Wilder'.

Apart from those fights, Fury's entire career has basically been at domestic to high end European level.

At some point that sort of behavior as a Champion and fighter will show up inside the boxing ring 'I believe that is potentially what people are starting to witness with Fury'.

Tyson Fury is a great fighter within this era of Heavyweights, but I have never rated him as a great all-time great Champion quite simply because he does not have the feats of achievement statistically. I believe people tend to get carried away with whatever is hot right now in the moment, and Fury has been that type of fighter in boxing. I believe by in large the boxing media has disrespected its own history, and all other past all-time great Champions during this Tyson Fury reign.

Tyson Fury has two great wins over Kiltschko and Wilder, but then outside of that most Fury's current reputation is ether built up off fights he never won, or mythical head to head match ups which in my opinion has disrespected the true all-time great Champions of the sport 'How they have been dismissed, and demeaned to enhance Tyson Fury's resume and credibility. It has been unprecedented, I have never witnessed a fighter be bestowed so much greatness upon them without achieving the actual feats of achievement to capture that greatness' etc.

Very well said. People need to understand the difference between SAYING you'd beat everyone and actually doing it. I believe that TF and his entourage actually know he isn't all that, which is why he has ducked AJ twice and avoided all the top prospects. For example, Frank Warren has Joyce and Dubois in his stable so it would have been easy to make fights with those guys, and before they were beaten they were feared. But.....nope, Chisora X 3 or an mma dude. Fury doesn't even defend the belt that often. His leagcy is more about ducking fights than challenging himself. Let's see him fight three times a year against the likes of AJ, Zhiang, Makhmudhov, Anderson and Sanchez etc. that's without mentioning Usyk. There are so many questions he has not answered, as you say, it is a disservice and disrespect to actual greats to mention the PED cheat ducker in the same breath. He's a phoney.

[BodyBagz]

A boxing novice has put Flubber vs The Midget on hold

[Lance98]

Wilder pursued AJ after AJ beat klitchko, but AJ didn't want it, still didn't want it. Fury/usyk is not even talked about as much. I want to see undisputed, but fury is the one pushing it back and downplaying usyk. He also embarrassed himself after that performance with francis. I think he should rematch francis and beat him more clearly, erase all doubts and then go for undisputed. As much as I don't like boxers fighting mma guys when they are active/not retired, fury painted himself in the corner.