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  • mjh1969
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    #31
    Originally posted by AmpMcv

    He lost to Lara and twice to triple G.
    Yes he did. Canelo should have 5 losses on his record. Mayweather Jr, Lara, GGG twice and Bivol. Bottom line.

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    • factsarenice
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      #32
      The truth was always there in plain sight......At 154 Charlo had the size and strength for the late rounds but at 160 he's average, and at 168 he couldn't beat John Rider.

      That said, don't be too hard on Charlo...Reynoso,Canelo,​​ Charlo,and Derrick James all knew the score and the reason that Jermell Charlo was chosen. This isn't some Agatha Christy mystery, everyone knew. The only REAL surprise was that people assumed that Charlo would do the bad ass thing while trying to win an unwinnable setup and instead took the money and walked. Charlo's bigger problem still waits at 154lbs because Tim Tszyu is there and he's the stronger guy. As for Canelo, fighting the other Charlo is no longer marketable and he doesn't have another easily beatable opponent.

      As for Crawford, Canelo isn't interested because like little Floyd, Crawford beats people with his skills. Andrade is long, awkward and very difficult to figure out and like Canelo, Benavidez uses his size and strength in late rounds. I suspect Canelo will be rooting for David Benavidez because at least his style is more conventional.​
      Last edited by factsarenice; 10-03-2023, 07:56 PM.

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      • mjh1969
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        #33
        Originally posted by factsarenice
        The truth was always there in plan sight......At 154 Charlo had the size and strength for the late rounds but at 160 he's average, and at 168 he couldn't beat John Rider.

        That said, don't be too hard on Charlo...Reynosio,Canelo,​​ Charlo,and Derrick James all knew the score and the reason that Jermell Charlo was chosen. This isn't some Agatha Christy mystery, everyone knew. The only REAL surprise was that people assumed that Charlo would do the bad ass thing while trying to win an unwinnable setup and instead took the money and walked. Charlo's bigger problem still waits at 154lbs because Tim Tszyu is there and he's the stronger guy. As for Canelo, fighting the other Charlo is no longer marketable and he doesn't have another easily beatable opponent.

        As for Crawford, Canelo isn't interested because like little Floyd, Crawford beats people with his skills. Andrade is long, awkward and very difficult to figure out and like Canelo, Benavidez uses his size and strength in late rounds. I suspect Canelo will be rooting for David Benavidez because at least his style is more conventional.​
        Nice analysis. Agree with you on this.

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        • Theshotyoudontsee
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          #34
          One takeaway from Saturday night we can all agree on. Canelo fanboys are ******.

          If any other boxer was sitting on the belts and ducking their mandatories for a year....while trying to pull cruisers down to 180 with rehydration clauses...or pulling a 154 inactive for 16 months coming off a hand injury guy up two full weight classes....if any other fighter did the ****** s h i t Canelo is doing, they'd call him out on it.

          They don't care about boxing, they care about Canelo like he is their superhero. It's mindboggling. No one is saying that Canelo has to fight a killer every fight. But his last few fights were an ass kicking by the 2nd best 175 pound guy, a UD and poor performance against an old GGG, going the distance with John Ryder, and now a UD against a 154 guy who barely fought back.

          I guess boxing is just over. This is PPV level stuff????

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            #35
            Originally posted by mjh1969

            Nice analysis. Agree with you on this.
            Crawford would beat Canelo up. Always a chance that Canelo catches him with a KO shot. But Bud probably whips him.

            People basing any idea of how Bud would do against Canelo based on how Charlo did are delusional. Jermell has always been overrated, he fights in a weak division.

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            • StephenM
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              #36
              Charlo talked a good game but just came for the pay day. This was totally predictable. Only an exceptional fighter can move up two weights classes and beat a p4p guy. Plus he hasn't fought in 16 months. Plus nobody he fought is anywhere near Canelo in terms of quality. It was just a money grab. On a side note, the DAZN broadcast of the card was as dull as could be. One commentator all by himself. I'm glad I didn't pay for it. Pathetic.

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              • TheOneAboveAll
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                #37
                Originally posted by mjh1969

                That's the thing with boxing. There are always new challenges. Canelo knows he lost that fight with Lara and GGG. Charlo decided he just showed up for the fight and didn't want to fight. There are other fights that Canelo can fight in his own division instead of going up and down and fighting guys below his weight class that are overmatched. Canelo is a Julio Cesar Chavez wannabe. A media hype job more than anything else though. Canelo is a very good fighter but not a great fighter. He certainly isn't a killer like Marvin Hagler or Julio Cesar Chavez.
                IDK, I have watched Canelo-Lara 3-4 times and I cannot understand why so many people think Lara got robbed. IMO, Canelo simply landed the more effective punches (the only criterion that actually matters) and pressed the action throughout the entire fight. Thoug he had some fancy moments, giving Lara that decision would have truly been a robbery. I do think Canelo should have 4 losses on his record (Floyd, GGG 2X, Bivol), but losses happen when you consistently fight elite competition.
                Last edited by TheOneAboveAll; 10-02-2023, 12:11 PM.

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                • TheOneAboveAll
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Theshotyoudontsee
                  One takeaway from Saturday night we can all agree on. Canelo fanboys are ******.

                  If any other boxer was sitting on the belts and ducking their mandatories for a year....while trying to pull cruisers down to 180 with rehydration clauses...or pulling a 154 inactive for 16 months coming off a hand injury guy up two full weight classes....if any other fighter did the ****** s h i t Canelo is doing, they'd call him out on it.

                  They don't care about boxing, they care about Canelo like he is their superhero. It's mindboggling. No one is saying that Canelo has to fight a killer every fight. But his last few fights were an ass kicking by the 2nd best 175 pound guy, a UD and poor performance against an old GGG, going the distance with John Ryder, and now a UD against a 154 guy who barely fought back.

                  I guess boxing is just over. This is PPV level stuff????
                  Jermell Charlo, despite his performance on Saturday, is an elite fighter. An elite fighter who has the solitary goal of not getting KO'd is going to be extremely difficult to KO. You're elevating Canelo to God status thinking he can walk down everybody and KO them while they keep a high guard and run from him. Had Charlo exchanged with Canelo to try to win the fight, he very likely would have gotten stopped. Most fans understand this.

                  As far as Canelo's competition goes, what fighter in the sport has faced better opponents, either recently or over their entire career?
                  Last edited by TheOneAboveAll; 10-02-2023, 12:10 PM.

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                  • TheOneAboveAll
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Theshotyoudontsee

                    Crawford would beat Canelo up. Always a chance that Canelo catches him with a KO shot. But Bud probably whips him.

                    People basing any idea of how Bud would do against Canelo based on how Charlo did are delusional. Jermell has always been overrated, he fights in a weak division.
                    The only fighter to ever whip Canelo without actually hurting him is Floyd. Despite his greatness, Crawford is not the defensive genius that Floyd was, so a fight between those guys isn't going to go anything like Floyd-Canelo. Crawford has great feet, but he's no runner, so he'd have to put on the most historic virtuoso offensive display ever (something to make Loma gawk) in order to 'whip' Canelo. Bud criticized Jermell for being gun shy and passive, but I can promise you that we would see the most cautious Bud Crawford ever if he stepped to the ring against Canelo.

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                      #40
                      Maybe don't drag a 154 pounder up 2 weight classes because you're scared of Beterbiev.

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