Zhang would TORTURE Wilder

[daggum]

Joshua was MORE than a contender...He was a world title claimant just like Wilder and Fury. But he started losing on his way to the Champions Ball. You know all this.

The duck stuff? You'd literally had to have participated in all those negotiations to know that, and take it beyond nonsense.

joshua was champ for 3 years and had a much better resume than wilder so i dont know what you mean by saying he lost on his way to the champions ball. fury wasnt active. the only champions ball during that period was joshua vs wilder and wilder refused to fight for 100 million dollars. wilder vs fury only became the fight for the #1 spot after joshua lost, but like i said widler ducked joshua and prevented him from getting to your hypothetical champions ball, but instead of blaming wilder for shamelessly ducking him, you blame joshua for losing against a good fighter like ruiz? everyone is going to lose eventually. thats floyd/canelo type BS. wait wait wait oh he lost i told you he ******. i dont see how wilder losing to fury is any different than wilder losing to joshua? the only difference is wilder thought fury was rusty, on drugs, and out of shape, he literally said that. he obviously didnt think that about joshua which is why he never fought him for much more moeny than he made against fury.

[dan-b]

"The circle" consisted of Fury and Wilder and should have included A.J., but for all those losses, he couldn'tcome out and play with the other champs. Oh, to be clear, it ended with Fury taking all the belts off of Wladdy via UD. Fury never lost em'. Anything else, let me know.

Should have, would have, could have. The point is Wilder didn't prove himself against anyone of note, despite having ample opportunity to make the Klitschko fight. "The circle" is mediocre in a historical context and it's amusing to see supposedly grown men become emotionally invested in any of them.

[dan-b]

joshua was champ for 3 years and had a much better resume than wilder so i dont know what you mean by saying he lost on his way to the champions ball. fury wasnt active. the only champions ball during that period was joshua vs wilder and wilder refused to fight for 100 million dollars. wilder vs fury only became the fight for the #1 spot after joshua lost, but like i said widler ducked joshua and prevented him from getting to your hypothetical champions ball, but instead of blaming wilder for shamelessly ducking him, you blame joshua for losing against a good fighter like ruiz? everyone is going to lose eventually. thats floyd/canelo type BS. wait wait wait oh he lost i told you he ******. i dont see how wilder losing to fury is any different than wilder losing to joshua? the only difference is wilder thought fury was rusty, on drugs, and out of shape, he literally said that. he obviously didnt think that about joshua which is why he never fought him for much more moeny than he made against fury.

You're attempting to reason with someone who says unironically that Luke has held the lineal "title" for 8 years, omitting what has transpired during that time.

[Willow The Wisp]

and when he does, everyone, including the thread starter, will say that Zhang was a bum.

Guaranteed. Armchair critics say the damdest things.

How about a laboratory test of what "Bums" all these ranked heavyweights are under MOQ rules?

Let's put it to the test.......

Take the best MMA fighter in the world. Choose one who started as a boxer too. Train him for awhile using just Boxing and give him a payday bigger than any UFC Heavyweight Champion has Ever made in their ENTIRE fighting career.

Give him the guarantee that if he wins, that first giant paycheck is just the tip of the iceberg.

That ought be be a pretty tough guy, right?

Not a ranked contender, but a pretty tough guy.
A guy who was training boxing as a kid, developed some noteworthy skills in it, and then, fairly quickly assimilated the other ranges of wrestling, muay thai and submission grappling fairly well, and then DOMINATED all those fighters in MMA's big boys division.

....and see how HE does against one of those "Bums" that these Armchair Warriors are always harping on.

See if it isn't just a little harder than it looks sitting at home holding the remote.

See if that lack of respect is Bull****e or now.

You know?

Let's do that. See if we can't take the Matrix pill and get a glimpse outside of our own bull****e.

Stay tuned.

[daggum]

You're attempting to reason with someone who says unironically that Luke has held the lineal "title" for 8 years, omitting what has transpired during that time.

if thats the case then zsolt erdei was lineal champ for 10 years until he lost to grachev who i suppose was the lineal champ as well

[dan-b]

if thats the case then zsolt erdei was lineal champ for 10 years until he lost to grachev who i suppose was the lineal champ as well

Holmes winning the lineal "title" from the corpse of Ali was the greatest win of all time.

[N/A]

You mean Zhang who scored a draw against Jerry Forrest? His only big win is against an overhyped ring *diot in the face of Joyce.

I am not a fan of the dosser, his resume is weak, but he has more cardio than Zhang and enough power to knock him out.

[JakeTheBoxer]

You mean Zhang who scored a draw against Jerry Forrest? His only big win is against an overhyped ring *diot in the face of Joyce.

I am not a fan of the dosser, his resume is weak, but he has more cardio than Zhang and enough power to knock him out.

Everybody has a night off, casual.

[daggum]

You mean Zhang who scored a draw against Jerry Forrest? His only big win is against an overhyped ring *diot in the face of Joyce.

I am not a fan of the dosser, his resume is weak, but he has more cardio than Zhang and enough power to knock him out.

if joyce is overhyped what is wilder? joyce's resume is much better. hes beaten parker, dubois, and jennings to wilders ortiz and stiverne. zhang is certainly overrated at the moment but beating joyce is still a good win.

[Willow The Wisp]

joshua was champ for 3 years and had a much better resume than wilder so i dont know what you mean by saying he lost on his way to the champions ball. fury wasnt active. the only champions ball during that period was joshua vs wilder and wilder refused to fight for 100 million dollars. wilder vs fury only became the fight for the #1 spot after joshua lost, but like i said widler ducked joshua and prevented him from getting to your hypothetical champions ball, but instead of blaming wilder for shamelessly ducking him, you blame joshua for losing against a good fighter like ruiz? everyone is going to lose eventually. thats floyd/canelo type BS. wait wait wait oh he lost i told you he ******. i dont see how wilder losing to fury is any different than wilder losing to joshua? the only difference is wilder thought fury was rusty, on drugs, and out of shape, he literally said that. he obviously didnt think that about joshua which is why he never fought him for much more moeny than he made against fury.

You like Anthony Joshua better than Wilder or Fury. I get that, and I approve of all fighters having a solid base of staunch supporters.
Far be it from me to try talking anyone out of supporting a fighter, given the many, many old fighters Ive been honored to spend some time with and the impactthis has had on my life.


11-28-15. Fury - Klitschko
04-29-17. Joshua- Klitschko
03-03-18 Wilder - Ortiz I
12-01-18 Wilder - Fury I
06-01-19. Ruiz- Joshua I
11-23-19. Wilder - Ortiz II
12-07-19. Joshua- Ruiz II
02-22-20 Fury - Wilder II
09-25-21. Usyk- Joshua I
10-09-21. Fury - Wilder III
08-20-22. Usyk - Joshua II
09-04-22 Ruiz - Ortiz