JMM sold his soul to the Devil.

**_original_** · 10-04-2009, 08:07 PM

It's not completely demolished because it's not set in stone that Pac will beat Cotto and become a true welter to take on Mosley or Floyd.....for all we know, Pac would very well get schooled by Cotto and end up staying at 140....then of coarse a JMM-Pac trilogy will be complete, we'll have to wait and see

**Larrysbird** · 10-04-2009, 08:08 PM

Yup, that was bad decision from Team Marquez overall. The guy took a gamble and failed. I don't know why he wasn't able to wait for Pac if his ultimate intentions was to finished some unfinished business with him. Now his chances seem to fade into limbo unless Pac loses to Cotto. Wish him well though fighting at 140.

**EL_cano** · 10-04-2009, 08:13 PM

iF what you said is spot on right, do you think its appropriate for MP and JMM to settle their trilogy at 140 or 135? But i do believe that even if MP were to lose againts Cotto, Mayweather would still be interested in fighting PAC.

**S.G.** · 10-04-2009, 08:13 PM

You're not taking into account the fact that he was presented with the opportunity to beat an ATG and enhance his legacy further still. Hell, even taking the fight won him some credit in the sense that it took real gall and you can't question his intent to attain greatness.

**arraamis** · 10-04-2009, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by S.G.

You're not taking into account the fact that he was presented with the opportunity to beat an ATG and enhance his legacy further still. Hell, even taking the fight won him some credit in the sense that it took real gall and you can't question his intent to attain greatness.

And JMM gave it all he could in his attempt to beat PBF - But he just didn't have what was needed to complete the task. Its easy to look at tapes and watch a how a guy fights - but once you're in the ring, it a whole different ball of wax.

Still my consensus for JMM, didn't change one bit because of the lost - He is still one of my Fav. fighters and an all time great.

Originally posted by Duce84

iF what you said is spot on right, do you think its appropriate for MP and JMM to settle their trilogy at 140 or 135? But i do believe that even if MP were to lose againts Cotto, Mayweather would still be interested in fighting PAC.

It should be a 140, IMO, because they have both grown into that weight class naturally.

Its no shame to lose to a bigger man {Ex. PBF vs JMM} so Pac would still be able to face Floyd ... just some of the luster would be lost.

Originally posted by Larrysbird

Yup, that was bad decision from Team Marquez overall. The guy took a gamble and failed. I don't know why he wasn't able to wait for Pac if his ultimate intentions was to finished some unfinished business with him. Now his chances seem to fade into limbo unless Pac loses to Cotto. Wish him well though fighting at 140.

I wouldn't say it was a bad decision overall. Because alot more people know of JMM post-fight, JMM and his family is alot better off because of the financial gains and he earned the respect of many by not giving up and trying his very best to win.

You can never fault a guy for trying ......

Originally posted by Duce84

Do you believe the trilogy between Pac and JMM has been diminished?

Pac has only 2 or 3 fights left

Cotto
SSM
FMJ

I know their was too much money involved in the JMM vs FMJ fight but JMM should have demanded 2 Million rather than accepting the $600,000 FMJ gave him during the weight issues.

Marquez "FMJ was at least 20 pounds more than me on fight night"

I know money talks but how about your legacy? So whats next for Marquez?

Even if Pac loses to Cotto - he doesn't lose much respect because many know that Cotto is one hell of a leap from where Pac's been.

For anyone to state with conviction that Floyd weighed 160 fight night is nuts. Floyd didn't allow anyone to weight him .... so its all speculation. Plus Floyd isn't the type of fighter who balloons up during the last 24hrs before a fight - He's never been that way.

**alexpz** · 10-04-2009, 08:39 PM

as what nacho said..

""We took the fight because the offer was real good and the fact that the fight was going to be at 143 pounds. But the day of the weighin, Mayweather came at 146 and we were really angry at that but then again I am not the promoter so we talked with Juan Manuel and we decided that we would fight because the public was paying to see the fight and even when Mayweather was not responsible enough, I have to say he is one of the best fighters ever, he has tremendous speed and he has a great defense, he is very confident in the ring and he is really good and smart, but Juan fought with courage, with heart, and refused to go down against the best fighter pound for pound in the world."

Mayweather trick them. But as a warrior Juanma still face a much bigger floyd because the people were paying to see the fight. Thats why i still got a lot of respect for Juanma. If ever the situation happens to floyd i doubt the fight could have happen.. For sure Floyd will state lots of reason why he won't fight the boxer that didn't reach the agreed weight limit. And then points all the blame on the other boxer...

**Larrysbird** · 10-04-2009, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by arraamis

I wouldn't say it was a bad decision overall. Because alot more people know of JMM post-fight, JMM and his family is alot better off because of the financial gains and he earned the respect of many by not giving up and trying his very best to win.

You can never fault a guy for trying ......

Anybody fighting Mayweather will definitely gets huge respect from anybody but my point was if his goal was ultimately to have a trilogy with Pacquiao then that route wasn't a good idea so its a bad decision imo. Slowly but surely. Going 2 weighting classes up and fighting the best is too extreme, Pacquaio didn't even try to do that.

**Junito-Rulez** · 10-04-2009, 08:51 PM

LIKE THAT ????

**DLT** · 10-04-2009, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by alexpz

as what nacho said..

""We took the fight because the offer was real good and the fact that the fight was going to be at 143 pounds. But the day of the weighin, Mayweather came at 146 and we were really angry at that but then again I am not the promoter so we talked with Juan Manuel and we decided that we would fight because the public was paying to see the fight and even when Mayweather was not responsible enough, I have to say he is one of the best fighters ever, he has tremendous speed and he has a great defense, he is very confident in the ring and he is really good and smart, but Juan fought with courage, with heart, and refused to go down against the best fighter pound for pound in the world."

Mayweather trick them. But as a warrior Juanma still face a much bigger floyd because the people were paying to see the fight. Thats why i still got a lot of respect for Juanma. If ever the situation happens to floyd i doubt the fight could have happen.. For sure Floyd will state lots of reason why he won't fight the boxer that didn't reach the agreed weight limit. And then points all the blame on the other boxer...

Lets be real, the fight wouldnt have been any different at 143 or any other weight for that matter. Floyd's weight wasnt the reason why JMM lost so I dont know why so many keep talking about that. He lost because of Floyd's speed, defense, height, reach, smarts, and overall skill. None of those things would change at any weight. Infact as Ive said on here many times before, it would probably have been worse at the lower weight because Floyd was even more faster and more aggressive at those weights

JMM sold his soul to the Devil.