Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury: Unifying Division Doesn't Mean **** To Me, I'm Looking For Biggest Payday

[juggernaut666]

Stipe was the closest to it at 4 times, UFC's HW division has always been the wonkiest tbh. During the PRIDE era it was weaker then PRIDEFc's HW div.

Fighting in a cage and ring is very different. The Pride guys lost a lot as well in the UFC the thing is most top Pride guys wentnthere after losing initially in the UFC like Coleman , Randleman , Etc…I wrote a lot on this years ago and explained it I forgot most of it bc I haven’t discussed MMA for over ten years in detail . I do know Ngannou isn’t even close to being the goat and anyone who thinks that has zero credibility on talking about MMA .

I consider not being very successful in a cage as a major strike as that is formatted to what MMA is supposed to be there’s a reason fir a cage instead of ring which stops the flow of a fight and actually helps strikers more , Cage suited for grappling more While Fedor struggled badly in cage fights and has a poor record in them he’s still way beyond a Ngannou, several guys are .

[juggernaut666]

Jones won't do anything to Ngannou because he won't fight him. It doesn't take 3 years to put on a potbelly. He only came out of the woodwork when Ngannou left. That's fact, and no amount of UFC fanboy cheerleading will change that. He was offered the Ngannou fight multiple times during those 3 years and turned them all down. And you know who never popped for PEDS? Demetrious Johnson. Or Ngannou, for that matter. GTFO with your hero worship of a cheating felon who ducked Ngannou for 3 years. You can say all you want, but just like Jones, all it will EVER be is words, and it won't ever change the FACT that Jones turned down the Ngannou fight saying he wasn't ready for 3 years, until Ngannou left.

This is some good revisionism as well . Jones was on his way to the UFC in March of 2021, Ngannou had already signed to fight Stipe and Jones was to fight the winner in 2022 at that time but guess who left ? Lol

https://nypost.com/2021/03/28/jon-jo...ancis-ngannou/

https://www.givemesport.com/88086671-jon-jones-francis-ngannou-ufc-285/

In this one Ngannou admits he would have made about 8 million against Jones that he was offered

https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/35468383/francis-ngannou-ufc-exit-contract-not-free

How was Jones running from him ?

[Willow The Wisp]

How long would you wait to enforce a mandatory if a fight against Joshua or Usyk isn't made?

Firstly, I appreciate your good, civil dialog. Too few are able to maintain that on the board.
To whatever extent they are able, the WBC should work with Fury to help ensure that he keeps pace with honoring his actual, Linial world time, if not their green belt.

I'm on the same page as Sulaiman here, which might itself be an historic event.

Many would disagree with me, which is of no concern, but I would argue this:

Tyson Fury is fighting great, being the first guy in history over 6'7" to be successful at that (with apologies to Nikolai Valuev, who had a light schedule).
But fans are justifiably at odds with this champion for disappearing for 2 years, and after performing some major historical feats against Wilder, became a little complacent about unifying belts and keeping up with his challenger housecleaning duties in general.
But here we are.

I feel, as does the WBC (for now), that there is business to be done in THIS era that comes defore unleashing the next.


1.
Ngannou earned his shot at the big leagues money by cleaning out the division in MMA as thoroughly as anyone ever has, and swallowing that sport whole. As a pure Boxer who added what he needed to capture the crown in MMA, his challenge is very unique.

2.
Usyk earned his shot by appearing on the mythical P4P short list as the last man standing at Cruiserweight, then stepping up and twice defeating the one-time "Heir Apparent" in Joshua, collecting up all those shiny (if completely meaningless) belts.

3.
Zhilei Zhang has earned his shot by really doing a number on top gun Joe Joyce, who looked like a million bucks smashing former 4th best on earth and title holder Joseph Parker, and Daniel Dubois, who many beleive was witnessed knocking out Usyk last month in his title challenge. Zhang, however, dominated that same Joe Joyce as completely as any boxer could dominate another. If he can repeat this feat in the rematch, it's hard not to make "The Big **** " the number ONE challenger to Fury; Usyk and his silly belts notwithstanding.
Should a Fury - Zhang clash be properly promoted as a symbol of China’s ascendance and held in Beijing, Hong Kong, Macau or Shanghai, it would be the most viewed sporting event of the year. Maybe ever.

4.
Anthony Joshua earned his shot by winning his belts and defending them 7 times, wearing an aura of invincibility for a number of years, and becomming the top earning heavyweight in the world.

The ill-informed critics be dammed, all four of these are very important fights, and each one builds the legacy of champion Fury in their own unique way.


If Andy Ruiz gets a crack at the title, that would be a 5th fight that I would love to see; but because the era of 2015 - 2025 is getting late now, I might want to insist that Ruiz go through Deontay Wilder or Jared Anderson to earn it.

After the 5 belts are unified, boxing will have one champion as it should. And the celebration will feel ecstatic....but brief.

Anyone who understands the business of boxing, it's en******, partnerships and revenue streams knows that unified titles are not built to last, and will be stripped and separated to generate maximum revenue for the 5 sanctioning bodies ASAP.

For "Manditories"?
I beleive that Arslanbek Makhmudov, Frank Sanchez, Andy Ruiz, Jared Anderson, Efe Ajagba, Martin Bakole, Joseph Parker, Filip Hrgovic, Daniel Dubois, Agit Kabayel, Otto Wallin, Bakhodir Jalolov and the other 2,536 title suitors in waiting should just have to stay busy, build their own resumes up and WAIT.
(But not forever).

[siablo14]

Firstly, I appreciate your good, civil dialog. Too few are able to maintain that on the board.
To whatever extent they are able, the WBC should work with Fury to help ensure that he keeps pace with honoring his actual, Linial world time, if not their green belt.

I'm on the same page as Sulaiman here, which might itself be an historic event.

Many would disagree with me, which is of no concern, but I would argue this:

Tyson Fury is fighting great, being the first guy in history over 6'7" to be successful at that (with apologies to Nikolai Valuev, who had a light schedule).
But fans are justifiably at odds with this champion for disappearing for 2 years, and after performing some major historical feats against Wilder, became a little complacent about unifying belts and keeping up with his challenger housecleaning duties in general.
But here we are.

I feel, as does the WBC (for now), that there is business to be done in THIS era that comes defore unleashing the next.


1.
Ngannou earned his shot at the big leagues money by cleaning out the division in MMA as thoroughly as anyone ever has, and swallowing that sport whole. As a pure Boxer who added what he needed to capture the crown in MMA, his challenge is very unique.

2.
Usyk earned his shot by appearing on the mythical P4P short list as the last man standing at Cruiserweight, then stepping up and twice defeating the one-time "Heir Apparent" in Joshua, collecting up all those shiny (if completely meaningless) belts.

3.
Zhilei Zhang has earned his shot by really doing a number on top gun Joe Joyce, who looked like a million bucks smashing former 4th best on earth and title holder Joseph Parker, and Daniel Dubois, who many beleive was witnessed knocking out Usyk last month in his title challenge. Zhang, however, dominated that same Joe Joyce as completely as any boxer could dominate another. If he can repeat this feat in the rematch, it's hard not to make "The Big **** " the number ONE challenger to Fury; Usyk and his silly belts notwithstanding.
Should a Fury - Zhang clash be properly promoted as a symbol of China’s ascendance and held in Beijing, Hong Kong, Macau or Shanghai, it would be the most viewed sporting event of the year. Maybe ever.

4.
Anthony Joshua earned his shot by winning his belts and defending them 7 times, wearing an aura of invincibility for a number of years, and becomming the top earning heavyweight in the world.

The ill-informed critics be dammed, all four of these are very important fights, and each one builds the legacy of champion Fury in their own unique way.


If Andy Ruiz gets a crack at the title, that would be a 5th fight that I would love to see; but because the era of 2015 - 2025 is getting late now, I might want to insist that Ruiz go through Deontay Wilder or Jared Anderson to earn it.

After the 5 belts are unified, boxing will have one champion as it should. And the celebration will feel ecstatic....but brief.

Anyone who understands the business of boxing, it's en******, partnerships and revenue streams knows that unified titles are not built to last, and will be stripped and separated to generate maximum revenue for the 5 sanctioning bodies ASAP.

For "Manditories"?
I beleive that Arslanbek Makhmudov, Frank Sanchez, Andy Ruiz, Jared Anderson, Efe Ajagba, Martin Bakole, Joseph Parker, Filip Hrgovic, Daniel Dubois, Agit Kabayel, Otto Wallin, Bakhodir Jalolov and the other 2,536 title suitors in waiting should just have to stay busy, build their own resumes up and WAIT.
(But not forever).

No to acknowledging 5 belts.

I don't agree with you. I think you should have to face a mandatory between 1 and 1.5 year.

[SUBZER0ED]

Ok, now I'm confused. A Ukranian took the unified crown from a Britton, beating him out twice. The remaining belt is being held by a Britton. How could any fight vs retired MMA fighters, generate more fever and money than an undisputed title fight to bring all of the HW champion belts together to the UK for the first time, ever? I said before that I think Fury is fucking with us. I hope I'm right, because if I'm wrong, Fury is a ducking coward, who should be stripped of his title.

[Willow The Wisp]

I think I can figure it out through logical deduction: Most of the Schmaltz guys... Slapsy Maxie, Max Bauer were last generation... Hum? No, I can't figure it out! I should know this considering how dear that show is to my heart.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Nova

Nova played in over 20 feature films and numerous television shows and stage performances after boxing. He played the K.A.O.S. enforcer goon "Gorcheck" in the Get Smart TV series (1965-1970).

[Willow The Wisp]

Ok, now I'm confused. A Ukranian took the unified crown from a Britton, beating him out twice. The remaining belt is being held by a Britton. How could any fight vs retired MMA fighters, generate more fever and money than an undisputed title fight to bring all of the HW champion belts together to the UK for the first time, ever? I said before that I think Fury is fucking with us. I hope I'm right, because if I'm wrong, Fury is a ducking coward, who should be stripped of his title.

Nobody’s afraid of Usyk anymore after that 5th round belt punch taking him out. Unified belts??

Elusive unification? The winner of Fury vs. Usyk won't be that without going for the WBA "Regular" Title against the winner of Big Baby Miller vs. Manuel Char. Can't make this stuff up.

[SUBZER0ED]

Nobody’s afraid of Usyk anymore after that 5th round belt puch taking him out. Unified belts??

Elusive unification? The winner of Fury vs. Usyk won't be that without going for the WBA "Regular" Title against the winner of Big Baby Miller vs. Manuel Char. Can't make this stuff up.

Usyk may be weak in the body, but someone still needs to legit beat him. Fury could be the first undisputed HW champion of the four-belt era. The WBA regular belt is BS. Nobody cares about that but Fat Baby and Charr.

[crimsonfalcon07]

I find Jon Jones is a similar position.
If Stipe Miocic still has gas in the tank, that upcoming bout will solidify Jones as a true dominant Heavyweight in the slow moving UFC top division.

I'd agree with you mostly, except I personally think being a cheater puts a big question mark over your accomplishments, and I personally have a tough time acknowledging people who commit felonies. For me, a real champion has to be someone who can be a role model, and that includes ethical behavior. From a strictly fighting standpoint, beating Stipe will help, although it will be similar to AJ beating Klitschko or Canelo beating Kovalev. It's not quite the same as winning in his prime.

This is some good revisionism as well . Jones was on his way to the UFC in March of 2021, Ngannou had already signed to fight Stipe and Jones was to fight the winner in 2022 at that time but guess who left ? Lol

https://nypost.com/2021/03/28/jon-jo...ancis-ngannou/

https://www.givemesport.com/88086671-jon-jones-francis-ngannou-ufc-285/

In this one Ngannou admits he would have made about 8 million against Jones that he was offered

https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/35468383/francis-ngannou-ufc-exit-contract-not-free

How was Jones running from him ?

It's wild that you think that sound bites from Jones are proof of anything. And there's so many things that are just wrong in your statement. First, he wasn't "on his way to the UFC in 2021." That's beyond asinine. His first UFC fight was in 2008. His last fight in UFC light heavy was February 2020. He vacated the title in May of that year, saying he planned to move up to heavyweight. He didn't debut until AFTER Ngannou left. That's just FACTS. He could have had that fight easily if he actually wanted it, but he turned it down several times. FACTS.

He was indeed supposed to fight Ngannou several times, especially after Ngannou became champ, but he turned the fight down. First it was because he wanted "Deontay Wilder money." I'm not sure if you're slow or just not paying attention, but he wanted $25-30 million for the Ngannnou fight. Especially in the UFC, that's called pricing yourself out. We usually call that ducking. Then he turned the fight down because "he wasn't ready and needed to put on more weight." He said that several times, including to Ngannou's face after Ngannou asked him why he never signed the contract.

Next you're making a huge deal of an 8 million one time payday, which would have dropped well below a million if Ngannou lost, and completely ignoring the fact that he got everything he wanted, including 7 figure paydays for EACH fight, 1 million+ guarantees for his opponents and a seat at the promoter's table, and freedom to do boxing, for which he's going to get probably at least 18 million just for the fight with Fury. Under the UFC, the UFC wouldn't have let him do it, and if they did, would have taken at least half, as they did with Conor McGregor.

So Jones is getting chump change in comparison, and is only getting the contract he got because Ngannou played hardball with the UFC and won. And he knows it too.

The FACTS are that Jones sat out from 2020 until 2023 and turned down multiple fight offers from the UFC for both Ngannou and Stipe. He didn't come back until Ngannou was confirmed to be leaving. And Ngannou is getting close to as much or more money just from one fight as Jones will for his whole UFC career. Ngannou's opponents will make nearly as much as Jones got to fight Ngannou's leftovers (Ciryl Gane). As the kids say, stay salty about it, because the facts aren't on your side. You're basically wrong about everything.

[billeau2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Nova

Nova played in over 20 feature films and numerous television shows and stage performances after boxing. He played the K.A.O.S. enforcer goon "Gorcheck" in the Get Smart TV series (1965-1970).

Lou Nova!!! Of course! Thank you Wisp! I was stymied on that one. Slapsy and Max B had some great roles as a duet. They were actually excellent to watch. I loved that show so much... Hymie the Robot... ONLY MEL BROOK would think of that. Here is one of my all time favorites...

https://********/ftgAG3Vnif8

Here is a flick with the two maxes:

https://********/W7Az4-YZGPQ