Big fan of Mayweather and I think ...

[Bushidō]

... for him to become the best fighter of our generation and a GOAT, he would need to lose his '0'.

Because after that loss he would have no fears.

He needs to beat Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao and then I think no one on here can ever say anything negative about his career

[tito yuca]

He needs to beat Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao and then I think no one on here can ever say anything negative about his career

They still would. Look at what you said - he needs to beat the top p4p guy and the top 2 fighters in his divisions before he is given credit. So winning titles in 5 different weight classes isn't enough? My god, the standards for Floyd are waaaaay up there compared to other fighters. Gatti got destroyed millions of times and he is a god, Floyd has titles in 5 weight classes but he won't get credit until he beats 3 more top guys?

[jrosales13]

They still would. Look at what you said - he needs to beat the top p4p guy and the top 2 fighters in his divisions before he is given credit. So winning titles in 5 different weight classes isn't enough? My god, the standards for Floyd are waaaaay up there compared to other fighters. Gatti got destroyed millions of times and he is a god, Floyd has titles in 5 weight classes but he won't get credit until he beats 3 more top guys?

I think that Gatti comment is very dumb. Gatti is not god for his greatness. And, for whoever thinks Gatti is an ATG or a great fighter. Don't really know much about history. But, what love about Gatti. Is his warrior mentality. How he left everything in that ring. When you go see a Gatti fight you was in for an exciting night. It didn't matter if he lossed cuz you knew it was going to be exciting either way. But, nobody who is a knowledgable fan would say WOW GATTI IS GREAT. No knowledgable fans put Gatti as ATG.

But, you might be right about Floyd. I for one don't give him credit for beating a worn out Gatti for a title. Especially when there was tougher fights at the time. That could of been for a title. I don't give Floyd credit for beating done Oscar for a title. Also there were better fighters at the time in that division who had titles.

I do give credit to Floyd for beating Hernandez and Castillo for titles. And, even if Baldomir was the weakest linear WW champion in the history of boxing. I give Floyd some credit for winning his third lineage title. You might call me names but as far as I am concern he is a borderline ATG. And, he needs top beat Shane and the winner of Pac/Cotto for him to be in my short list of ATG's.

[sycomantz]

****** thread. A loss on his record would make all his haters say that he was overrated, even if he goes on to avenge it. He gets **** like that now for Castillo, and he didn't even lose.

thank you. the naysayers want him to lose just once so they can discredit his whole career

[sycomantz]

He needs to beat Mosley, Cotto, Pacquiao and then I think no one on here can ever say anything negative about his career

it will never end until they see him lose.

they would take him getting hit by bus has a loss. they just want anything

[tito yuca]

it will never end until they see him lose.

they would take him getting hit by bus has a loss. they just want anything

hahahaha great answer

[tito yuca]

I think that Gatti comment is very dumb. Gatti is not god for his greatness. And, for whoever thinks Gatti is an ATG or a great fighter. Don't really know much about history. But, what love about Gatti. Is his warrior mentality. How he left everything in that ring. When you go see a Gatti fight you was in for an exciting night. It didn't matter if he lossed cuz you knew it was going to be exciting either way. But, nobody who is a knowledgable fan would say WOW GATTI IS GREAT. No knowledgable fans put Gatti as ATG.

But, you might be right about Floyd. I for one don't give him credit for beating a worn out Gatti for a title. Especially when there was tougher fights at the time. That could of been for a title. I don't give Floyd credit for beating done Oscar for a title. Also there were better fighters at the time in that division who had titles.

I do give credit to Floyd for beating Hernandez and Castillo for titles. And, even if Baldomir was the weakest linear WW champion in the history of boxing. I give Floyd some credit for winning his third lineage title. You might call me names but as far as I am concern he is a borderline ATG. And, he needs top beat Shane and the winner of Pac/Cotto for him to be in my short list of ATG's.

What can I say, we disagree on how we see him as far as ATG-status is concerned, but at least you give him more credit than most Floyd haters here. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree for now.

However, I'd like to point out that the Gatti and Oscar fights were for PPV exposure and fame. That remark about there being better guys out there with titles might be true, but those fights were business decisions. Even then, many here predicted that he would get KO'd in both fights, especially the Oscar fight. To not give him ANY credit for these fights is a bit over the top. No one expected him to beat Gatti the way he did, and many people seriously thought he'd get KO'd against the much bigger Oscar. I don't consider either of his wins among his best or most impressive, but to give him ZERO credit for them, like you said, is going to far.

[jrosales13]

What can I say, we disagree on how we see him as far as ATG-status is concerned, but at least you give him more credit than most Floyd haters here. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree for now.

However, I'd like to point out that the Gatti and Oscar fights were for PPV exposure and fame. That remark about there being better guys out there with titles might be true, but those fights were business decisions. Even then, many here predicted that he would get KO'd in both fights, especially the Oscar fight. To not give him ANY credit for these fights is a bit over the top. No one expected him to beat Gatti the way he did, and many people seriously thought he'd get KO'd against the much bigger Oscar. I don't consider either of his wins among his best or most impressive, but to give him ZERO credit for them, like you said, is going to far.

Ok if they are fights that are money, fame, and exposure fine. I have no problem with that. And, I am not taliking about you. But, don't tell me is a great win and act like he did something unbelivable. I don't to hear he is great cuz of those wins. Cuz truth of the matter at the time Vivian Harris and Junior Witter would of beaten Gatti. Cory Spinks, Sergio Martinez, and Verno Forrest would of beaten Oscar. But, yet we wouldn't consider them great fighters for those wins. So why should we consider Floyd for thos wins?
I have never talk to you before. So I don't know how good your knowledge is. But, anybody who is knowledgable shouldn't take anybody serious who thought Gatti could KO PBF. If you know anything about boxing you knew that was not going to happen. Same with Oscar. I was actuallly rooting for Floyd in this fight cuz I will admit I am an Oscar hater. But, Oscar was only fighting once a year. He was more of a promoter than a fighter. And, if you not a serious fighter you would never beat a top fighter. Oscar was not serious anymore. And, not only was Oscar a part time fighter he was also a passed his prime fighter. I am sorry I can't give credit for those wins. When any other good fighter would win if they would of gotten the chance.

I give credit to Floyd for beating Chicanito Hernandez in just 2yrs as a pro that is amazing, The way he destroyed Angel Manfreddy in just 2 rounds was ridiculous. I give him credit for beating tough fighters like Gregorio Vargas, Emanuel Agustus, and Jesus Chavez. Against Corales he proved he was the truth. That fight made him a top 3 SFW of all time in my book and maybe even #1. I gave him hella credit for facing Castillo for his 1st fight at 135. Even thought I thought he lossed I gave him credit for taking that challenge and I gave him even more credit for rematching Castillo. I remember thinking this is what great fighters do. And, then I thought Floyd won impressively. And, I thought to myself FLoyd is going to be ATG. He would be the best in this era. I thought he was going to do amazing stuff. I gave him credit for facing Chop Chop Corley in his 1st fight at 140, even though Corley was coming off a loss, I thought it was a solid win. And, I didn't give credit that he fought Hatton. Cuz I thought it would be an easy win for Floyd. But, I gave him credit for finishing Hatton the way he did. And, the only fights I give him credit for. Everything else IMO it does not impress me. I really think the rest of his wins are overrated. I think he had a choice between legacy and money. IMO he chose money over legacy. And, I am not mad at him for that.

[kING T]

good point. I just think that he puts too much value on his record with out considering what the fans of the sport think about the caliber of the people he has fought.

he also prizes too much the fact that he has never been cut or beaten badly.
When he stops caring about those things and starts to seek the GOAT and best of this generation, we will see what he is made of.

Not a good point, all he has to do is beat the winner of Cotto-Pac, he could be Shane but most of you clowns will not give him credit for that win anyway.

[Doctor_Tenma]

not really his return at this point really leaves him no choice but to fight either..shane,cotto,or pacman

Been saying that for a while now.