Comments Thread For: Usyk Dominates, Except For.... Weekend Afterthoughts

[Dr. Z]

Ddd is a strange guy. Has to be really frail, inside.

He must have been distracted by the upcoming gay pride parade. DDD if a fruit with no heart.

[Monty Fisto]

Sorry Cliff, you're a boxing "writer" and a bias one at that. You couldn't even see Usyk's belly button and the shot clearly landed on the belt line. Where are Usyk's balls? On his hip? That theory doesn't fly. There are way too many Usyk sympathizers hear who can't fathom the fact that Usyk is not invincible and has weaknesses just like every other fighter of which Daniel Dubois, a massive underdog who people on here regularly trash, exploited. Would Usyk have gotten up if Pabon issued a count? It's possible but there's no way to know for sure. Based on how much pain he appeared to be in, if he wasn't acting, I don't see how he could get up in 10 seconds. He was on the canvas apparently writhing in pain for minutes. If you think Usyk definitely would've gotten up had Pabon started counting, does that not discredit any belief that it was a devastating low blow? I think it does. Usyk played it up big time.
I will trust the majority of boxers who said the punch wasn't low including Tim Bradley, Carl Frampton, Barry Jones, Johnny Nelson, Shawn Porter, Caleb Truax, Sergio Mora, Michael Hunter, Joe Cortez (HOF ref). Now, do they all have a bias against Usyk? Certainly the non-UK residents don't. Usyk always complains about body shots. It's clear that's his achilles heel. Of course Dubois faded and Usyk came back admirably to get the stoppage but that's irrelevant.

If you read the article, you'll know that there is no theory of Usyk's balls being in his hip, because there is no argument made that he got hit in the balls ("It didn't land square on the family ***els").

On the contrary, the argument is that Pabon's ruling of a low blow was not out of nowhere; it came from -- as Cliff observes and is clear from the footage -- that some of the fist caught the belt line but plenty caught below the belt line and the arc was from below. Borderline, yes. Definitvely not a low blow? You can't say that. And when the ref rules it low, and it's borderline, then you go with what the ref ruled.

We cannot say what would or would not have happened had Pabon started counting, because he never started counting.

Usyk coming back admirably is not irrelevant, it is what happened and what gave the result of the fight. The ifs and buts of what might had been in an alternate reality where Pabon didn't rule it a knockdown and did start counting is the irrelevant part. The ruling was made in an instant by the fight ref and the fight proceeded on that basis. Fights are not re-refereed by pixel peepers days later.

[Mooshashi]

Hopefully, this will lead to some good: boxing commissions standardizing that trunks must be worn below the navel. I am tired of these boxers who pull them darn near up to the sternum just to limit the opponents target, and yes I am certain they can make protective gear that can fit someone without it having to be pulled up half way to their neck.

Mandate the top of the trunk line be below the belly button, then any punch that hits the trunks is automatically low. Don't allow a fighter to pull up the trunks any higher. Standardize things for the sport and reduce the risk for controversy.

And wearing hip protectors. DLH used to wear armor over his hips and sides. Some still do today.

[John "The Beast"]

Sorry Cliff, you're a boxing "writer" and a bias one at that. You couldn't even see Usyk's belly button and the shot clearly landed on the belt line. Where are Usyk's balls? On his hip? That theory doesn't fly. There are way too many Usyk sympathizers hear who can't fathom the fact that Usyk is not invincible and has weaknesses just like every other fighter of which Daniel Dubois, a massive underdog who people on here regularly trash, exploited. Would Usyk have gotten up if Pabon issued a count? It's possible but there's no way to know for sure. Based on how much pain he appeared to be in, if he wasn't acting, I don't see how he could get up in 10 seconds. He was on the canvas apparently writhing in pain for minutes. If you think Usyk definitely would've gotten up had Pabon started counting, does that not discredit any belief that it was a devastating low blow? I think it does. Usyk played it up big time.
I will trust the majority of boxers who said the punch wasn't low including Tim Bradley, Carl Frampton, Barry Jones, Johnny Nelson, Shawn Porter, Caleb Truax, Sergio Mora, Michael Hunter, Joe Cortez (HOF ref). Now, do they all have a bias against Usyk? Certainly the non-UK residents don't. Usyk always complains about body shots. It's clear that's his achilles heel. Of course Dubois faded and Usyk came back admirably to get the stoppage but that's irrelevant.

Since Tyson was once solidly dropped like a sack by a light hitting natural cruiserweight as well as very small heavyweight in Steve Cunningham he most be vunerable. It also seems obvious that many boxers don't even understand the basic rules of boxing.