Comments Thread For: The Usyk-Dubois Low Blow Debate Continues

[Oregonian]

By Corey Erdman - As if the heavyweight division needed another strange controversy to create further debate about who is, or is deserving to be considered the division's best, we were served one up this past weekend. Heading into Saturday's bout against Oleksandr Usyk, Daniel Dubois entered as a gargantuan underdog, with many
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To anyone and d we everyone who keeps saying Boots needs to “earn” a shot at Bud, well, how did Dubois EARN a shot at Usyk??

To the rest, If Dubois was able to drop Usyk, why couldn’t he finish him off?

[tokon]

As far as I can see from the rule books fo the various organisations, including the Uniform Rules of Boxing from the Association of Boxing Commissions, not one of the sets of rules refers to any line involving the tops of the hips, or the belt. The only set of rules that is specific on what a low blow is the WBC (Section 15. Fouls, rule 1), which defines a low blow as 'below a line around the body going through the navel', consistent with what Russ Anber said at the press conference after the fight.

Assuming all orgs see low blows the same way, then the WBC definition is the go-to. Maybe ask the previous poster who mentioned the line at the top of the hips to refer to the rule book he got it from, then we can see if there is a discrepency that might cause some confusion.

Thanks for the clarification. If that is the case then imo the case for the punch being lie is strengthened and the difficulty of the refs on the spot decision obvious.

[tokon]

"Top of the hips" and "navel" are the same, as defined by WBA and USA boxing rules in section 40.1: https://www.usaboxing.org/usa-boxing-rulebook, quote:



Here's the video of the referee in Jared Anderson's fight (same day as Usyk vs. Dubois) clearly defining belt line, you can see his hand is clearly at the belly button level.

Here's the video of the impact in Dubois vs Usyk, showing the shorts move after hitting the cup

And another video which can be slowed down to 1/4 speed.

https://streamable.com/naf2mz?src=player-page-share

The idea of this controversy was manufactured by an announcer who didn't have a good view and from Frank Warren. There is no controversy. At all.

Excellent. Thank you.

[SSDnv]

Usyk just gave the blueprint to his weakness. He doesn't want deadly midsection body shots.

Trust me, nobody likes body shots.
Easier said than done

[Phase III]

Whatever Usyk did if the blow was legal is irrelevant. Boxing, where refs and judges are in dire need of seeing eye dogs, must institute replay.

At be end of round 4 and Usyk gets up to start round 5 his navel is not in view. After the fight, you can clearly see it. Something smells.

Look where the ref is when the blow happens. He in the corner and can’t possibly have see the shot.

This belly/ top of hip is BS. The **** was legal and Usyk was hurt and cried to the ref for help.

what happens after that blow is irrelevant. The fight could have ended then with Dubois hand raised. We know Isyk lied about the balls? Why? On the canvas he holding his stomach. Clean blow. Get over it beeches.

[buge]

The shot was right under the elbow.

[BarfyMan362]

In an interview on **********, Dubois trainer, Don Charles said the following:

BT: After the fight Usyk was asked in the ring by Michelle Joy Phelps how he would rate Dubois' renowned punching power, Usyk responded: 'No, only in my balls.' What do you say about his response?

DC: I say two things. First, Usyk is the only man on this earth who’s balls are on his waist. Second, to be honest, I don’t understand what Usyk is talking about because we now know, he has no balls so have could Daniel have hit something Usyk doesn’t have? Wow!

The shot hit his cup which flicked it down. Not that you'd know that cause I assumed you've never done anything athletic in your life. Usyk has fought almost every fight he's ever had on the road in his opponents home countries. Like him or not, he clearly has courage. Dubois quit. get over it.

[kafkod]

Whatever Usyk did if the blow was legal is irrelevant. Boxing, where refs and judges are in dire need of seeing eye dogs, must institute replay.

At be end of round 4 and Usyk gets up to start round 5 his navel is not in view. After the fight, you can clearly see it. Something smells.

Look where the ref is when the blow happens. He in the corner and can’t possibly have see the shot.

This belly/ top of hip is BS. The **** was legal and Usyk was hurt and cried to the ref for help.

what happens after that blow is irrelevant. The fight could have ended then with Dubois hand raised. We know Isyk lied about the balls? Why? On the canvas he holding his stomach. Clean blow. Get over it beeches.

This video has some footage of Usyk standing by the ropes recovering from the low blow. When he sucks in a deep breath of air, his navel is clearly visible above the top his waistband. When he breathes out it disappears again. The top of his protector must have been just below his navel, where it's supposed to be, and his shorts were pulled up just high enough to cover it. Which again, is exactly where they are supposed to be.

[PerfectJab]

This debate between, 'definitely low-blow' and 'perfect legal shot' can never be settled (so no need to insult someone who holds a different opinion IMO....)
From my point of view, I look at natural reactions.
After the fight Usyk said clearly that he was hit in the balls.

There is a natural reaction for this.
When a man is hit in the balls, the reflex is to hold the hand before the groin, close the legs and hunch forward. Closing down, so to speak. To protect the area.
When you are hit in the gut, the reflex is also to hunch forward at first but then you try to elongate the muscles by leaning backwards.
Try leaning backwards when you're hit in the balls. You'll feel it going against every instinct.

Actually, Chris Algieri said something similar.

Usyk's reaction was the latter.