Comments Thread For: Froch Not Impressed With Joshua's Win: "That Performance Was Awful!"

[Kzbox]

Whyte vs Fury was competitive alright 'The knock-Out saved him from a underwhelming distance fight'.

And vs Chisora III, Fury stated that he would meet Chisora in the center of the ring and fight him head on 'That never happened'.

People may bring up Chisora vs Usyk, to try and make Fury's performances look even better. But what people overlook is that Usyk is fighting fights which are stylistically a challenge for him, of course the action will be different 'And lets all be really honest, the Chisora who fought Usyk was pretty much the last in condition Chisora who was coming to win 1000%'.

I would say since the Parker rematch, Chisora has not trained to win 'He has gone into fights, knowing that his product is to push his opponents and talk a good one. That is how his brand WarChisora was marketed to the boxing fans'.

Fury is not receiving hate, he is being held to a standard 'Fury has never been held to a standard during his career. Because he has always played the underdog, NOW he is the WBC World Heavyweight Champion and that comes with requirements and tenants'.

Joshua whether he was champion or not has always been held to a high standard 'I think this got to him during the aftermath of Usyk II, but overall on the sly this pressure pushes him on'.

Note: I still rate Fury as the number 1 Heavyweight on merit, lets make that clear. I have not seen the evidence to rate his abilities and form miles ahead of his nearest competition 'Fury definitively is not dominating this era of Heavyweights with his reign. We are not witnessing a title reign like Wladimir Kiltschko's or the Kiltschko's, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis or Muhammad Ali 'Fury is not operating on that level' But his hardcore fans and cronies for some reason are putting him on that level etc.

Well that's your opinion on the Whyte v Fury fight i disagree and Fury is known to fight at the level of his opponent he knocked him out in round 6 so not sure what your point is tbh he got the job done that's all what matters. Hasn't Chisora only been knocked out like 2 times? he's a tough dude and Fury stopped him regardless and people have/were criticizing that fight so another moot point.

You have flipped this conversation totally around onto Fury when the thread is about Joshua deflecting because you are a fan of Joshua and not Fury i just don't why you can't accept boxers will not be liked by everybody and there is a lot of bandwagon fans in boxing as soon as Usyk loses people will turn on him also that's just how boxing is.

Joshua is a former unified champion so ofc he will be held to a high standard to see him going from the top of the division to going the distance with Jermaine Franklin and looking timid against Helenius obv people are going to point out the contrast and wonder where it all went wrong.

I think you just take it too personally man i have explained why people are hating on Joshua and i think they are valid reasons just have to accept that his behaviour outside the ring and inside it have made people look at Joshua in a different light.

Okay well you don't see Fury as much better than his competition most people do that's why he's rated number 1 in most lists if/when he loses you can say you were right until that day all you can do is hate on the competition he fights not his ability in the ring.

[Monty Fisto]

It was better than against Franklin. He's gotten 2 fights with the new trainer and got a KO in the process. The 3rd fight is usually where things will click (Iif they ever do). The Franklin fight was terrible for sure, but the last fight was decent. I liked his look in the last 2 rounds. the jab is looking pretty good since James

I don't agree. The big difference is the KO, but in terms of how dominant Joshua was, I thought he looked more tentative at times versus Helenius. He was always in control against Franklin and Joshua rightfully won nearly every round. Against Helenius, it felt at one point like the fight was going the wrong way for Joshua and he seemed powerless to assert his will on his opponent. Then Helenius fatigued and Joshua folded him with one punch.

Maybe Joshua will take a lot of confidence from that KO and it will boost his next fight, but there was still a lot of the things on display that Froch is talking about. If the Wilder fight is next, at least Joshua has done better prep than Wilder...

[PRINCEKOOL]

Well that's your opinion on the Whyte v Fury fight i disagree and Fury is known to fight at the level of his opponent he knocked him out in round 6 so not sure what your point is tbh he got the job done that's all what matters. Hasn't Chisora only been knocked out like 2 times? he's a tough dude and Fury stopped him regardless and people have/were criticizing that fight so another moot point.

You have flipped this conversation totally around onto Fury when the thread is about Joshua deflecting because you are a fan of Joshua and not Fury i just don't why you can't accept boxers will not be liked by everybody and there is a lot of bandwagon fans in boxing as soon as Usyk loses people will turn on him also that's just how boxing is.

Joshua is a former unified champion so ofc he will be held to a high standard to see him going from the top of the division to going the distance with Jermaine Franklin and looking timid against Helenius obv people are going to point out the contrast and wonder where it all went wrong.

I think you just take it too personally man i have explained why people are hating on Joshua and i think they are valid reasons just have to accept that his behaviour outside the ring and inside it have made people look at Joshua in a different light.

Okay well you don't see Fury as much better than his competition most people do that's why he's rated number 1 in most lists if/when he loses you can say you were right until that day all you can do is hate on the competition he fights not his ability in the ring.

Most people don't think Fury is much better than his competition 'Only his hardcore fans think this way, on the surface'.

Yes Chisora has been knocked out before, but not by Tyson Fury mate 'Only David Haye or Dillian Whyte have fought Chisora head on met force with force and ****** him out'.

Deep down Fury's hardcore fans will all be content if Fury does not consistently fight top level fighters 'Because when pushed, they understand there is no evidence that he is miles better than his nearest competition'.

This Fury reign is worse than Joshua's, worse than Wilder's 'I don't rate Fury as a great Champion as of right now' etc.

[Kzbox]

Most people don't think Fury is much better than his competition 'Only his hardcore fans think this way, on the surface'.

Yes Chisora has been knocked out before, but not by Tyson Fury mate 'Only David Haye or Dillian Whyte have fought Chisora head on met force with force and ****** him out'.

Deep down Fury's hardcore fans will all be content if Fury does not consistently fight top level fighters 'Because when pushed, they understand there is no evidence that he is miles better than his nearest competition'.

This Fury reign is worst than Joshua's, worst than Wilder's 'I don't rate Fury as a great Champion as of right now' etc.

Nah it is the general consensus that he is a much better boxer than Wilder/Joshua ect that's the whole thing with Fury he's not a one punch knockout artist but for a guy his size he moves and boxes very well better than anybody else in the heavyweight division apart from Usyk.

Well that was my point Chisora is a tough dude so i don't think it's a knock at Fury for not knocking out Chisora cold he stopped him that's all what matters Whyte knocked out Chisora and Fury knocked out Whyte styles make fights.

I just think you are being a hypocrite tbh criticizing Fury for stopping but knocking out Chisora but being against people criticizing Joshua for not even stopping an unknown Franklin and Joshua is actually known for his power which Fury isn't to begin with.

Well that's not true at all either people are turning their back on Fury even real fans of him like people are turning on Joshua you just have to deal with it not everybody is going to be a fan of your fighter and people have valid reasons to criticize Joshua.

You say that but i think Joshuas reign is very overrated mostly involving past it fighters like Joshua fans will hype a 2 year out of the ring last lost 41 year old but criticize Fury for beating an unbeaten in 10 + years Klitschko. Worse than Wilders? now you just straight up trolling or biased af.

[LA_2_Vegas]

I don't agree. The big difference is the KO, but in terms of how dominant Joshua was, I thought he looked more tentative at times versus Helenius. He was always in control against Franklin and Joshua rightfully won nearly every round. Against Helenius, it felt at one point like the fight was going the wrong way for Joshua and he seemed powerless to assert his will on his opponent. Then Helenius fatigued and Joshua folded him with one punch.

Maybe Joshua will take a lot of confidence from that KO and it will boost his next fight, but there was still a lot of the things on display that Froch is talking about. If the Wilder fight is next, at least Joshua has done better prep than Wilder...

He dominated Franklin, but it looked like he had two left feet in that fight. I did like his jab though, that was the silver lining I assigned to that fight.

So, I think my standards were probably lower for Helenius given how bad I thought it was vs Franklin. As long as it didn't look like his shoe laces were tied and he brought the same jab as against Franklin, then I'd be satisfied there is small progress.

You think the Helenius fight was worse, I think Franklin was worse, but seems like we both believe he is going through a process, getting rounds and prep. I put stock in those processes if the fighter is buying in. If they do fight next, I think it would be the 3rd fight for each guy after the trainer change.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Everything Froch has said is accurate.

I didn't read it. The guy lost to Ward and gave up. Didn't even try to improve and win next time. That's not a fighter. If Froch had Joshua's chin he would have a string of losses the way he boxed. Guy was slow and led with his chin.

[chicken-]

I didn't read it. The guy lost to Ward and gave up. Didn't even try to improve and win next time. That's not a fighter. If Froch had Joshua's chin he would have a string of losses the way he boxed. Guy was slow and led with his chin.

Lost to Ward and gave up? What are you talking about? He won world titles after that loss. You're talking out of your anus. "If Froch had Joshua's chin"...yea...IF, a lot of fighters would be crap if they had Joshua's crappy chin, but they don't.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Lost to Ward and gave up? What are you talking about? He won world titles after that loss. You're talking out of your anus. "If Froch had Joshua's chin"...yea...IF, a lot of fighters would be crap if they had Joshua's crappy chin, but they don't.

Ward offered him a rematch any time. Froch didn't even try again. Also tried his best to run from Groves rematch. Says it all. Froch was slow and easy to hit. The last person to give boxing lessons. And you are missing the point - with Froch's chin he could afford to be lazy in the way he boxed.