For those who claim Pacquiao is on steroids

[sigrab]

It's always entertaining to see how defensive and wounded that some people get when you bring up Pac's steroid usage.

You call it defensive, I call it asking you to back up an accusation. My point is, anyone can say anything preposterous just like I did on my previous post. Now you turn around and call that being "defensive and wounded." It's like this....

You: Why did you sleep with my sister you twat?

Me: What? I don't even know you or your sister. And if I did, she's probably not my type.

You: It's so obvious that you slept with her because you sound so defensive.

Sound familiar?

[Al Haymon]

You call it defensive, I call it asking you to back up an accusation. My point is, anyone can say anything preposterous just like I did on my previous post. Now you turn around and call that being "defensive and wounded." It's like this....

Here it goes.

Nobody has come forward and said that they SAW Manny pacquiao do steroids. Just like nobody SAW Barry Bonds do steroids. And even though someone DID come forward and say they SAW Roger Clemens do roids, only half of the people believe it.

Many people believed Barry to do roids because of a confluence of circumstantial factors. His performance, his appearance, his inner circle, his environment, etc.

Many people believe Manny Pacquiao fo do steroids for those same amalgam of factors. Those are facts, although the facts don't point directly to Manny.

1) MP has put on lean muscle with very little bodyfat. He has carried his power up with him through multiple weight classes.

2) MP lives in a foreign country where the pharmaceutical regs and culture of drugs has proven more permissive (note baseball players and DR, note Klitschkos and Germany, note Chinese, note East Germans, etc)

3) MP appears to be a genetic/ethnic anomaly. Statistically speaking, Asians are a small people. So an Asian who packs on muscle and retains speed and explosiveness will draw attention. Dis*****g? Name all the great asian ww's and mw's.

4) He trains out of the Wild Card Gym in hollywood. That area in general, and that gym in particular has a history of being a haven for steroid abusers. Many of the athletes in the Wild Card gym are known and obvious drug users
.
5) His trainer has previously trained another successful steroid abuser. And there is speculation that FR may use seroids himself, since steroids and creatine have been said to provide relif from Parkinson's symptoms.


6...) etc, etc, etc

So, if you ask me to consider all this CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence into consideration, I will say that it is not nearly enough to convict Manny. But in my personal opinion? Then YES. Manny Pacquiao does steroids. That is not "an accusation". Just like FMS did not accuse Manny. You are going to have to respect that many people share that opinion.

It is not hard for me to envision that in an environment where you have competitive young male athletes, and trainers, and many of the most successful ones are drug users, and manny is in that environment every day, that either Manny or his camp would get involved in that culture.

If Shane Mosley and Kelli White and Andy Pettite and David Ortiz could get involved in steroids, why can't Manny Pacquiao? Why should manny be above discussion?

[sycomantz]

great post. this fool is on Roids.

hes retained everything he has at lower weight classes and add more. that **** doesnt happen without performance enhancers.

Floyd is a genetic freak and born boxer. even he didnt keep EVERYTHING and gain extras and hes the best fighter in the world and possibly history.

so how does a guy like manny do it? ROIDS

[sigrab]

Here it goes.

Nobody has come forward and said that they SAW Manny pacquiao do steroids. Just like nobody SAW Barry Bonds do steroids. And even though someone DID come forward and say they SAW Roger Clemens do roids, only half of the people believe it.

Many people believed Barry to do roids because of a confluence of circumstantial factors. His performance, his appearance, his inner circle, his environment, etc.

Many people believe Manny Pacquiao fo do steroids for those same amalgam of factors. Those are facts, although the facts don't point directly to Manny.

1) MP has put on lean muscle with very little bodyfat. He has carried his power up with him through multiple weight classes.

2) MP lives in a foreign country where the pharmaceutical regs and culture of drugs has proven more permissive (note baseball players and DR, note Klitschkos and Germany, note Chinese, note East Germans, etc)

3) MP appears to be a genetic/ethnic anomaly. Statistically speaking, Asians are a small people. So an Asian who packs on muscle and retains speed and explosiveness will draw attention. Dis*****g? Name all the great asian ww's and mw's.

4) He trains out of the Wild Card Gym in hollywood. That area in general, and that gym in particular has a history of being a haven for steroid abusers. Many of the athletes in the Wild Card gym are known and obvious drug users
.
5) His trainer has previously trained another successful steroid abuser. And there is speculation that FR may use seroids himself, since steroids and creatine have been said to provide relif from Parkinson's symptoms.


6...) etc, etc, etc

So, if you ask me to consider all this CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence into consideration, I will say that it is not nearly enough to convict Manny. But in my personal opinion? Then YES. Manny Pacquiao does steroids. That is not "an accusation". Just like FMS did not accuse Manny. You are going to have to respect that many people share that opinion.

It is not hard for me to envision that in an environment where you have competitive young male athletes, and trainers, and many of the most successful ones are drug users, and manny is in that environment every day, that either Manny or his camp would get involved in that culture.

If Shane Mosley and Kelli White and Andy Pettite and David Ortiz could get involved in steroids, why can't Manny Pacquiao? Why should manny be above discussion?

Thanks for taking the time to explain yourself.

Points 1-5 as you admit are all circumstantial and in your opinion, based on those circumstances you believe he does steroids. Fair enough. I can't really fault you for thinking that way. However, you also stated that in a competitive sports environment, most of the successful ones are involved in drug use. So you ask, why can't Manny? My question is, why can't all of them? If steroid use among all the successful athletes in this or any other sport was the general tone of this thread then I wouldn't have any issues with it. Again, I respect your opinion, but there's a reason why circumstantial evidence doesn't hold up in court.

[MaD RoBoT]

i guess i should start gettin in constant race wars and call people ****sexual names lke gayweather huh?? im the only REAL poster on this damn site...
pacfan HATE the damn truth..my JOB here is too tell the truth and not overate fighters like the rest of u *******s...


ALL NATURAL huh pacfans???

we all know you're jerkin off on that pic before u sleep

It's always entertaining to see how defensive and wounded that some people get when you bring up Pac's steroid usage.

its always entertaining seeing people getting defensive when you bring up Floyd's gayness

4) He trains out of the Wild Card Gym in hollywood. That area in general, and that gym in particular has a history of being a haven for steroid abusers. Many of the athletes in the Wild Card gym are known and obvious drug users

5) His trainer has previously trained another successful steroid abuser. And there is speculation that FR may use seroids himself, since steroids and creatine have been said to provide relif from Parkinson's symptoms.



So, if you ask me to consider all this CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence into consideration, I will say that it is not nearly enough to convict Manny. But in my personal opinion? Then YES. Manny Pacquiao does steroids. That is not "an accusation". Just like FMS did not accuse Manny. You are going to have to respect that many people share that opinion.


If Shane Mosley and Kelli White and Andy Pettite and David Ortiz could get involved in steroids, why can't Manny Pacquiao? Why should manny be above discussion?

didn't they had these medical tests you take before & after the fight?

did they found out anything unusual?

[shogunn]

pretty sad.. floyd fans have nothing to hold against Manny, so they fabricate little things.
First came ducking african american fighters, now steroid use.

This is probably the worst display of boxing fans to roam this forum. Not only do they have nothing to support their claim, but they also take their personality of the douchebag they worship so much. Theyll say anything to discredit another fighter, and at the same time hold ellerbe like qualities that makes everyone sick.

[fdotorres]

people gotta think he can 106 at what??16-17..he's 30 now so of couse he's grown..he at 16 i was 150-im 28 and 210

huh? how tall are you???

[Al Haymon]

didn't they had these medical tests you take before & after the fight?

did they found out anything unusual?

They don't test for roids before fights. They don't test for hGH at all.

And steroid testing is EASILY beaten unless the testing is random. You simply have to cycle off prior to your test date (i.e fight night). Based on the type of PED's that you do, it take varying time to clear your system..

Keep in mind that Shane, Marion Jones, etc never tested positive. Only a small minority are snagged by testing.

[MaD RoBoT]

They don't test for roids before fights. They don't test for hGH at all.

And steroid testing is EASILY beaten unless the testing is random. You simply have to cycle off prior to your test date (i.e fight night). Based on the type of PED's that you do, it take varying time to clear your system..

Keep in mind that Shane, Marion Jones, etc never tested positive. Only a small minority are snagged by testing.

so where are you basing your accusations? Pac's lean muscular body?

the fact that he can KTFO every opponnts in higher divisions?

the fact that he weigh 10 pounds over his official weight?

does Shane, Marion Jones guilty any of these?

[ummid]

great post. this fool is on Roids.

hes retained everything he has at lower weight classes and add more. that **** doesnt happen without performance enhancers.

Floyd is a genetic freak and born boxer. even he didnt keep EVERYTHING and gain extras and hes the best fighter in the world and possibly history.

so how does a guy like manny do it? ROIDS

so just because pac did something pbf couldn't do he's on roids? i'm not sure if you're just young or if your mental age is that of a kid but your logic and reasoning seems to be less than average. i don't mind having a discussion with biased posters but please try to put some substance in your posts.