List of 3 division lineal champions, boxing history

[Boxing 112]

Like I said, I don’t care who says that.

To start a new Lineage, the rules are the universal #1 and #2 have to fight.

How could that possibly be the case with Pacquaio and Bradley in 2016?

Pacquaio was coming off a loss, Bradley was 2-1-1 in his last 4 fights and the division was wide open with other champions.

There’s no logical way that could make sense.

There are no rules cauuse it isn't really a thing

[GhostofDempsey]

Pacquaio’s 4, not 5.

I don’t care how many times people act like Pacquaio-Bradley was for the vacant Lineage, it wasn’t.

Every legit boxing source has Pac winning 5 lineal titles, except for you Manny haters, LOL.

[IronDanHamza]

Every legit boxing source has Pac winning 5 lineal titles, except for you Manny haters, LOL.

Again, I don’t care.

How can someone coming off a loss, fight a guy who’s 2-1-1 in his last 4 for the vacant lineage?

On top of the fact there are other current champions in the division at the time.

How can that possibly make any logical sense?

[IronDanHamza]

There are no rules cauuse it isn't really a thing

Well yeah, there’s that.

If we can just make it up as we go along than everyone is Lineal Champion.

Why not have 5 Lineal Champions.

[famicommander]

Again, I don’t care.

How can someone coming off a loss, fight a guy who’s 2-1-1 in his last 4 for the vacant lineage?

On top of the fact there are other current champions in the division at the time.

How can that possibly make any logical sense?

Title belts have nothing to do with lineage, first off. There have been several world titlists that weren't even ranked in the top 10 by Ring or TBRB. Crawford vs Beltran was a lineal title fight even though Crawford only had the WBO belt, Beltran had no belts, and other guys had belts at the time.

When Pacquiao lost to Floyd he didn't fall in the TBRB rankings. He was just behind Floyd before the fight and nobody jumped him after Floyd beat him. Floyd retired leaving Pacquiao as the #1 fighter. Bradley beat Vargas (who was 26-0 at the time) and stopped Rios (who was coming off a win over 33-0 Mike Alvarado), which elevated him to #2. #1 fought #2 with the title vacant, thus a new lineage.

[GhostofDempsey]

Again, I don’t care.

How can someone coming off a loss, fight a guy who’s 2-1-1 in his last 4 for the vacant lineage?

On top of the fact there are other current champions in the division at the time.

How can that possibly make any logical sense?

How does Hopkins become lineal at MW? Beating a blown up WW who got his title from Joppy? Who did Floyd win his from? Baldomir with 9 losses? From a gift decision against Castillo? LOL We can pick apart a lot of lineal title holders and how they got there. Whether you like it or not, Pac is recognized as a lineal champ in 5 weight classes.

[Marchegiano]

I agree with Dan.

Historians, journalists, etc. are contradictory sources, good for information but their opinions contradict their facts as much as any fans. That is something that does not go away with knowledge.

[IronDanHamza]

Title belts have nothing to do with lineage, first off. There have been several world titlists that weren't even ranked in the top 10 by Ring or TBRB. Crawford vs Beltran was a lineal title fight even though Crawford only had the WBO belt, Beltran had no belts, and other guys had belts at the time.

When Pacquiao lost to Floyd he didn't fall in the TBRB rankings. He was just behind Floyd before the fight and nobody jumped him after Floyd beat him. Floyd retired leaving Pacquiao as the #1 fighter. Bradley beat Vargas (who was 26-0 at the time) and stopped Rios (who was coming off a win over 33-0 Mike Alvarado), which elevated him to #2. #1 fought #2 with the title vacant, thus a new lineage.

That’s because the Lineage wasn’t vacant then like it was at 147 in 2016 when Floyd retired.



No the rule is they have to be “universally #1 and #2” which they weren’t. Hence why it can’t be for a new Lineage.

[IronDanHamza]

How does Hopkins become lineal at MW? Beating a blown up WW who got his title from Joppy? Who did Floyd win his from? Baldomir with 9 losses? From a gift decision against Castillo? LOL We can pick apart a lot of lineal title holders and how they got there. Whether you like it or not, Pac is recognized as a lineal champ in 5 weight classes.

Not really. Those Lineages were won and not vacant.

Baldomir was the lineal champion because he beat Judah who beat Spinks and so on and so forth. You can’t “pick that apart” that is objective.

Pacquaio-Bradley was supposedly for a new lineage, which is can’t be from any logical standpoint.

[famicommander]

That’s because the Lineage wasn’t vacant then like it was at 147 in 2016 when Floyd retired.



No the rule is they have to be “universally #1 and #2” which they weren’t. Hence why it can’t be for a new Lineage.

Crawford v Beltran was for the vacant Ring and lineal titles, plus Crawford's WBO strap. The other belts were occupied.

And you can pick apart several "universal" lineal titles. Fury is still claimed to be lineal at heavyweight by many even though he retired and TBRB and Ring Magazine now recognize Usyk as their champion.