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  • Dr. Z
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    GGG an top 15 all time middle weight

    Here is an article I write a few years ago.



    The middleweight division, without a, doubt one of the four most essential divisions in boxing.

    Ranking the best in division history is no easy task, partly because the rich history dates back to the 1840's, and many of the best matches were never filmed or have become lost films.

    Generally speaking, most historians or serious fans would place the names Gerb, Robinson, Hagler, Monzon, Walker, and Fitzsimmons in their top ten, and all would make the top 15. I'm not going to argue these six men don't belong. Instead, I will at times use them as a benchmark to show why Golovkin belongs in the top 15 in the history of the division. After all, if they are a consensus of the top ten, and Golovkin compares favorably or equal in many areas, he most certainly belongs.


    Professional Ring Record 41-1-1***. 83.72% KO ratio. He should be un-defeated. World Title belts held. WBA, WBC, and IBF.

    Key take aways

    1 ) Golovkin won all three major belts, away some define the real champion in modern times hamstrung by politics. Such a feat is rare.

    2 ) Golovkin, at age 38 is still excellent. The Rocky Marciano of modern times for middleweight with a twist. Golovkin beat his best past his prime, while Rocky beat his best when his opponents were mostly past their primes. This separates Golovkin from the pack of history. #1 in this department as everyone else lost at least once at 160 pounds.

    Successful title defenses 21! #1 all time.

    Key takeaways:

    1 ) 21 title defenses is more than Hopkins ( 20 ). Ring legends like Monzon and Hagler have 14, and 12 respectively. Golovkin is in elite company. Once again he separates himself from the pack of history. I'd argue anyone that 21 title defenses should be shortlisted for the top 15.


    Style and skills

    Without a doubt Golovkin is a swarming attacker with rare power, who can target the head or the body, but his style and power alone do not define him. In my opinion, he's got one of the top jabs in the history of the division. His power rates as no worse than 3rd best of all time ( 83.7%KO ratio ) and he also has one of the top chins, as he was never floored in 42 professional matches...or ever floored in 350 amateur matches. This unheard of for any division. This is a total of 388 matches with never being knocked down. Amazing.

    Key Take away: Golovkin rates #1 in KO percentage among all middleweight champions, and he is the only one never to be floored. He can win by outboxing and landing with his jab, with his power, or by slugging. The chances of knocking him out in 388 boxing matches is a statistical zero.


    Winning his best matches past his prime.

    Among the greats, one has to ask when did they retire? Gerb was only 32, he died young, but was slowing at this age. Hagler, just 32. Walker and Mozon, age 34. By retiring when they did, each man prevented further losses. The interesting point here is Golovkin, won key matches past his prime at age 34-35, vs. style matchup that past their prime boxers have the most trouble against. That is speedy/defensive fighters. He contiunes to look good at age 38.

    Golovkin defeated the following men at age 34-35

    Wade, who as undefeated at age 26
    Brook, who was undefeated at age 30.
    Jacobs, who was 34-1 at age 30

    What we have here is rare, an older champion defeating much young raked opponents in their prime. Only the true greats can do this.

    GGG did not officially defeat Canelo, three judges, one of them crooked beyond belief called a draw. The majority of media scorecards correctly had GGG as the winner, and it appears Canelo who refused to weight in the night of the fight, was on peds.

    In the amateurs, Golovkin drafted name professionals such as Matvey Korobov (RUS) 19:10, Andy Lee (29:9), Lucian Bute (stoppage).


    Pound for pound status.

    The pinnacle any boxer can hope for. Golvokin is currently #1 in Ring Magazine pound for pound ratings. Ring Magazine ratings, though not 100% perfect are boxing best ratings. How many former middleweight champions have been #1 pound for pound, a term coined for Sugar Ray Robison? VERY FEW. Anyone want to count?


    Quality of opposition beaten.

    This is the one area where critics have a point, but to be fair, it's not like Golovkin had a chance to fight hall of fame fighters. Mayweather would never fight him, not even if the IRS was after him and his net worth was zero. Nor world Cotto, who would have undoubtedly been knocked out. Pac? Forget it he knew better. I also feel Martinez, wanted no part of GGG either. Canelo soiled the re-match by testing positive. GGG was avoided and unlucky.

    But I did a count of fighters Golovkin defeated that were all ring magazine annually ranked in the top ten. I do not have access to monthly rankings so this number could be higher.

    Geale ( KO WIN )
    Murray ( KO WIN )
    Lemieux ( KO WIN )
    Jacobs ( Points Win )
    Rubio ( KO WIN )
    Macklin ( KO WIN )
    Stevens ( KO WIN )
    Canelo ( Bogus Draw )
    Canelo ( Bogus points loss )
    Derevyanchenko ( Points win )
    Szeremeta ( KO WIN )

    So GGG here is officially 9-1-1 but should be 11-0.

    Now for the closing. While Golovkin's opponents beaten doesn't stand out, he blew many of them away and edged others past his prime. He should be undefeated. Did other top ten all time greats lost to lesser fighters than GGG fought? Absolutely! How about some examples? Read on...

    Hagler lost to Monroe and Watts. Hagler also drew with Antuofermo. I think Jacobs and Canelo are equal to or better than the opponents Hagler lost to or drew with.

    Monzon lost to Aguilar, Cambeiro, Massi who was only 2-0 and drew NINE times. I think Jacobs and Canelo are equal to or better then the guys Monzon lost to or drew with

    Greb lost to some guys you probably never heard of! Bartfield, Chip, Graves, Borrell, Keiser, Graves ( TKO Loss ), I'll skip the numerous draws and his first 20 bouts. I think Jacobs and Canelo are equal to or better then the guys Greb lost to or drew with.

    Walker lost to Delmont making his debut ( KO Loss ), Smith, making his debut ( KO Loss ), Gradwell, S. O'Brien twice, Pitts, Shade, Bogash, Ward, Nelson, Malone, Latzo, and Dundee. I'll skip the four draws and name losses. I think Jacobs and Canelo are equal to or better than the guys Walker, lost to or drew with.

    Looking back, it's hard to imagine if video and web were around back then, 'cause modern fans would rip them to pieces.​

    Haters and going to hate, but the truth and facts are what I focus on.
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    Why you hating ggg? Can't he be top 10?

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    • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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      He’s easily top 15. Easily.

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      • Dr. Z
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        Originally posted by hugh grant
        Why you hating ggg? Can't he be top 10?
        Because hatters are going hate. IMO,GGG beats many all time greats. The data, his style, his durability, his physicality, and his skills are there. Maybe a long armed very speedy out-fighter with a good chin and movements skills who can fight well at long range can beat him.

        Or corrupt Judges. Or old age. Same as anybody.

        If we are taking prime for prime with fair judges I don't see many beating him. It would be refreshing to read about fantasy match up free or player hating on either side and to let the observations and facts rule regardeless of who you pick.

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        • Silence
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          GGGeezer is top 15 losers ever.

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          • just the facts
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            Originally posted by Silence
            GGGeezer is top 15 losers ever.
            What’s with those orange pubes stuck in your teeth? Oh, that’s right, your Canelo’s #1 providers of oral stimulation.

            Ggg top 15? Sure, borderline top 10.

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              Originally posted by Dr. Z
              Here is an article I write a few years ago.



              The middleweight division, without a, doubt one of the four most essential divisions in boxing.

              Ranking the best in division history is no easy task, partly because the rich history dates back to the 1840's, and many of the best matches were never filmed or have become lost films.

              Generally speaking, most historians or serious fans would place the names Gerb, Robinson, Hagler, Monzon, Walker, and Fitzsimmons in their top ten, and all would make the top 15. I'm not going to argue these six men don't belong. Instead, I will at times use them as a benchmark to show why Golovkin belongs in the top 15 in the history of the division. After all, if they are a consensus of the top ten, and Golovkin compares favorably or equal in many areas, he most certainly belongs.


              Professional Ring Record 41-1-1***. 83.72% KO ratio. He should be un-defeated. World Title belts held. WBA, WBC, and IBF.

              Key take aways

              1 ) Golovkin won all three major belts, away some define the real champion in modern times hamstrung by politics. Such a feat is rare.

              2 ) Golovkin, at age 38 is still excellent. The Rocky Marciano of modern times for middleweight with a twist. Golovkin beat his best past his prime, while Rocky beat his best when his opponents were mostly past their primes. This separates Golovkin from the pack of history. #1 in this department as everyone else lost at least once at 160 pounds.

              Successful title defenses 21! #1 all time.

              Key takeaways:

              1 ) 21 title defenses is more than Hopkins ( 20 ). Ring legends like Monzon and Hagler have 14, and 12 respectively. Golovkin is in elite company. Once again he separates himself from the pack of history. I'd argue anyone that 21 title defenses should be shortlisted for the top 15.


              Style and skills

              Without a doubt Golovkin is a swarming attacker with rare power, who can target the head or the body, but his style and power alone do not define him. In my opinion, he's got one of the top jabs in the history of the division. His power rates as no worse than 3rd best of all time ( 83.7%KO ratio ) and he also has one of the top chins, as he was never floored in 42 professional matches...or ever floored in 350 amateur matches. This unheard of for any division. This is a total of 388 matches with never being knocked down. Amazing.

              Key Take away: Golovkin rates #1 in KO percentage among all middleweight champions, and he is the only one never to be floored. He can win by outboxing and landing with his jab, with his power, or by slugging. The chances of knocking him out in 388 boxing matches is a statistical zero.


              Winning his best matches past his prime.

              Among the greats, one has to ask when did they retire? Gerb was only 32, he died young, but was slowing at this age. Hagler, just 32. Walker and Mozon, age 34. By retiring when they did, each man prevented further losses. The interesting point here is Golovkin, won key matches past his prime at age 34-35, vs. style matchup that past their prime boxers have the most trouble against. That is speedy/defensive fighters. He contiunes to look good at age 38.

              Golovkin defeated the following men at age 34-35

              Wade, who as undefeated at age 26
              Brook, who was undefeated at age 30.
              Jacobs, who was 34-1 at age 30

              What we have here is rare, an older champion defeating much young raked opponents in their prime. Only the true greats can do this.

              GGG did not officially defeat Canelo, three judges, one of them crooked beyond belief called a draw. The majority of media scorecards correctly had GGG as the winner, and it appears Canelo who refused to weight in the night of the fight, was on peds.

              In the amateurs, Golovkin drafted name professionals such as Matvey Korobov (RUS) 19:10, Andy Lee (29:9), Lucian Bute (stoppage).


              Pound for pound status.

              The pinnacle any boxer can hope for. Golvokin is currently #1 in Ring Magazine pound for pound ratings. Ring Magazine ratings, though not 100% perfect are boxing best ratings. How many former middleweight champions have been #1 pound for pound, a term coined for Sugar Ray Robison? VERY FEW. Anyone want to count?


              Quality of opposition beaten.

              This is the one area where critics have a point, but to be fair, it's not like Golovkin had a chance to fight hall of fame fighters. Mayweather would never fight him, not even if the IRS was after him and his net worth was zero. Nor world Cotto, who would have undoubtedly been knocked out. Pac? Forget it he knew better. I also feel Martinez, wanted no part of GGG either. Canelo soiled the re-match by testing positive. GGG was avoided and unlucky.

              But I did a count of fighters Golovkin defeated that were all ring magazine annually ranked in the top ten. I do not have access to monthly rankings so this number could be higher.

              Geale ( KO WIN )
              Murray ( KO WIN )
              Lemieux ( KO WIN )
              Jacobs ( Points Win )
              Rubio ( KO WIN )
              Macklin ( KO WIN )
              Stevens ( KO WIN )
              Canelo ( Bogus Draw )
              Canelo ( Bogus points loss )
              Derevyanchenko ( Points win )
              Szeremeta ( KO WIN )

              So GGG here is officially 9-1-1 but should be 11-0.

              Now for the closing. While Golovkin's opponents beaten doesn't stand out, he blew many of them away and edged others past his prime. He should be undefeated. Did other top ten all time greats lost to lesser fighters than GGG fought? Absolutely! How about some examples? Read on...

              Hagler lost to Monroe and Watts. Hagler also drew with Antuofermo. I think Jacobs and Canelo are equal to or better than the opponents Hagler lost to or drew with.

              Monzon lost to Aguilar, Cambeiro, Massi who was only 2-0 and drew NINE times. I think Jacobs and Canelo are equal to or better then the guys Monzon lost to or drew with

              Greb lost to some guys you probably never heard of! Bartfield, Chip, Graves, Borrell, Keiser, Graves ( TKO Loss ), I'll skip the numerous draws and his first 20 bouts. I think Jacobs and Canelo are equal to or better then the guys Greb lost to or drew with.

              Walker lost to Delmont making his debut ( KO Loss ), Smith, making his debut ( KO Loss ), Gradwell, S. O'Brien twice, Pitts, Shade, Bogash, Ward, Nelson, Malone, Latzo, and Dundee. I'll skip the four draws and name losses. I think Jacobs and Canelo are equal to or better than the guys Walker, lost to or drew with.

              Looking back, it's hard to imagine if video and web were around back then, 'cause modern fans would rip them to pieces.​

              Haters and going to hate, but the truth and facts are what I focus on.
              GGG had a fat meat head which made it unfair for his opponents as he had a metal plate implanted in it

              He defeated Kell brook who was undefeated, did you keep a straight face when writing that?

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              • -Kev-
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                GGG lost to Jacobs, Canelo and Derevyanchenko.

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                • AKAcronym
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                  It still amazes me people say he lost to Jacobs. I thought he actually lost to Derev initially, but watching it again, Derev missed a lot of shots I thought landed. You have to go out of your way to give Derev and Jacobs rounds in order for them to "win." Sucks he started getting bigger fights when he got older (let's see how some of these fighters right now start looking when they're 35+ years old), but you can't deny that the Golovkin from 2012-2015, or even earlier if you want, was physically a much different fighter.
                  Last edited by AKAcronym; 07-24-2023, 09:27 AM.

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                  • Hustle
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                    He fought 5 world champs in his whole career. So top 15 is cool

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