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  • #21
    Originally posted by Oregonian View Post
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    I’m guessing you believe Freddy Roach was a great fighter because he’s a great trainer?
    Perhaps Robert Garcia, Roger Mayweather, Naazim Richardson, Emmanuel Steward, Virgil Hunter, Nomac were ALL great boxers too?
    You bring up a great point, great trainers are most often not great boxers themselves and some have never boxed professionally at all. As an aside, I don't know what is considered a "great" boxer but both Robert Garcia and Roger Mayweather were champion boxers themselves in their era.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Doubledagger View Post

      I don't think you know what technical means in boxing.

      Technical = master of technique

      Technique in boxing = knowing how to throw every single punch and basically how to do everything.

      I don't think it's the technical ability you should question in the Derick James camp, but rather the tactical ability.

      That's what I question about his fighters

      For me his fighters never seem to have a clear, solid game plan for the specific opponent.

      Errol Spence is an anomaly because he is so inteligent and is able to make his own in ring adjustments, plus he has such a high volume and aggressive mentality that he can make up from the lack of tactics and strategy from James.

      But the fighters with lower IQ like Charlo and Martin I feel suffer from Jame's poor tactical ability.

      Yes, he teaches his fighters every technical skill in boxing and makes sure they master them, but what use is that if they lack the IQ to put it together in the ring?

      Spence aside, his fighters need better pre fight tactics and strategies from him.

      Charlo benefitted greatly from bringing in Juan Guzmann into his camp.

      I could literally see Guzmann's work in the Castano rematch, and that was after just one camp with Guzmann.

      He'll have had two camps with Guzmann in the Canelo fight.

      Honestly I think Canelo is going to have a really hard time with Charlo.
      Where are you getting the idea that his fighters don't have a strategy? They obviously have a strategy. Spence and Martin are unbeaten. Charlo and Spence are world champions. Charlo undisputed. Ryan Garcia believes in him. That's not possible without a strategy.

      James was clearly telling Martin what he needed to do. The rest is up to the fighter.
      Last edited by joseph5620; 07-17-2023, 06:02 AM.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post
        I hope Errol looks better than Frank Martin did yesterday, and than Joshua did against Franklin.

        Derrick James is going to have to step his training game up.
        Or maybe Joshua and Martin need to step their game up. Did you blame Robert Garcia for Mikey not looking good?

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        • #24
          Spence sure does have skills , I remember when he went up against Mikey Garcia he was super slick , this is a really interesting fight a few weeks ago I thought Crawford by ko , now after remembering his slick skills against Garcia I'm leaning towards Spence , I have to put a big bet on too , but I'm not sure who

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          • #25
            Originally posted by joseph5620 View Post

            Or maybe Joshua and Martin need to step their game up. Did you blame Robert Garcia for Mikey not looking good?
            A little sensitive aren’t you?

            It’s because Derrick James is black isn’t it?

            Originally posted by Luja14 View Post
            Derrick was a non-technical boxer himself or rather a "door-mat" so I am not convinced about applying technical know-how to his boxers, all seem to master basics and fitness (just my opinion). Best wishes to both boxers, such an interesting fight
            I think that’s a good way to describe the fighters he produces. Good basics and highly conditioned.
            Last edited by ShoulderRoll; 07-17-2023, 07:46 AM.

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            • #26
              Can he do a Marvin Hagler type fight of breaking down a fighter of Crawford's ability methodically?

              I don't think he's at that level, but who knows, he's been good enough so far. He'll have to be pinpoint accurate and make no major mistake against Crawford.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Joe Beamish View Post
                Spence’s inactivity doesn’t bode well for being technically great against a guy like Crawford.

                Crawford will hurt him.
                Conversely, all the soft touches Bud has had throughout his career doesn't bode well for him against an elite guy like Spence.

                Bud is going to feel this fight, head, body and orbital bone. Believe that.
                Silence Silence Rebelrbg Rebelrbg like this.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

                  A little sensitive aren’t you?

                  It’s because Derrick James is black isn’t it?



                  I think that’s a good way to describe the fighters he produces. Good basics and highly conditioned.
                  Yes it is. You're trying to imply that the black trainer is dumb. You've never blamed a trainer for the performance of a fighter until now. But this is a black trainer so different story. But you'll suck Robert Garcia off just like you do with Canelo lol

                  James has 3 world champions, one undisputed, former heavyweight champion, Frank Martin, and now Ryan Garcia. But in your mind he's just basic and can't teach anything. Comical. That speaks for itself.




                  You're not slick shoulder roll. I see right through you.
                  Last edited by joseph5620; 07-17-2023, 12:23 PM.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by joseph5620 View Post

                    Yes it is. You're trying to imply that the black trainer is dumb. You've never blamed a trainer for the performance of a fighter until now. But this is a black trainer so different story. But you'll suck Robert Garcia off just like you do with Canelo lol

                    James has 3 world champions, one undisputed, former heavyweight champion, Frank Martin, and now Ryan Garcia. But in your mind he's just basic and can't teach anything. Comical. That speaks for itself.




                    You're not slick shoulder roll. I see right through you.
                    So a person can’t say anything even slightly critical about a trainer just because he’s black? You’re out of your mind.

                    I’ve made critical comments about Eddy Reynoso before so Canelo has nothing to do with this.

                    And Robert Garcia sh1t the bed with Joshua Franco not even making weight for his last fight. I called that out too so I’m not sure what you’re even talking about.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by joseph5620 View Post

                      Where are you getting the idea that his fighters don't have a strategy? They obviously have a strategy. Spence and Martin are unbeaten. Charlo and Spence are world champions. Charlo undisputed. Ryan Garcia believes in him. That's not possible without a strategy.

                      James was clearly telling Martin what he needed to do. The rest is up to the fighter.
                      Spence vs Porter.

                      You can see who was prepared and who wasn't.

                      Spence won that fight on talent alone. I can't identify a single strategy that James came into the fight with, can you?

                      I saw Spence make a lot of in fight afjustments, I can list them for you.

                      But there doesn't seem to have been ANY pre fight strategy.

                      Charlo vs Castano 1, Charlo vs Harrison 1, where was it?

                      I saw the ADJUSTMENTS in the rematches, but that is the problem. His fighters are always having to adjust to the opponent instead of having a pre fight solid strategy.

                      I'm not overly worried about the Bud fight because I trust Spence to make adjustments. I would prefer a solid strategy going into the fight but it's okay, this is Errol Spence so he'll find a way.

                      But I'm concerned for Charlo.

                      A little less so because Charlo went and hired Guzman as co trainer. That worked wonders for him in the Castano rematch as I'm sure it will against Canelo.

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