Comments Thread For: Jake Paul Blasts Nate Diaz: I'm Going To F--- Him Up, I'm Pissed!

[JDBarrett]

Paul has put the work in. He deserves respect for that as well. I do think he knows his limits, and it comes across a certain way that he would look to fight someone like Diaz. Yes, Diaz is not a boxer lol. I think Paul is very aware that Diaz is a tough guy who has limited boxing skills at best.

I am complimentary regarding the Paul Brothers. They strike me as "very average" guys who really put the work in. I think boxers should be looking at them as a way to market their own fights.

Diaz is in over his head. He may be able to figure out how to avoid the right for a bit, but I don't know how he will hurt Paul with anything back.

I think Pauls successes against MMA guys came bc he strikes like an MMA guy..they 'box' cautiously bc they have to watch for takedowns, kicks, elbows, etc..so their striking is cagey. Idk if learning to box like that was Pauls strategy, but it didnt help him against Fury, whose combos were obv. his kryptonite in that fight. What may hurt Diaz, I think are two things: one, hes only ever (professionally) fought guys roughly his own size, and two: if you watch his fights, win or lose, he's bloodied at the end, bc he has no back up in his game at all. Against a younger, stronger opponent it may be a bad idea to try to stand and trade with him. His cardio is good, and his advantage is in experience in fights of any kind, but I think he needs to combo and piece JP up to win it..bc I think a KO is unlikely.

[billeau2]

I think Pauls successes against MMA guys came bc he strikes like an MMA guy..they 'box' cautiously bc they have to watch for takedowns, kicks, elbows, etc..so their striking is cagey. Idk if learning to box like that was Pauls strategy, but it didnt help him against Fury, whose combos were obv. his kryptonite in that fight. What may hurt Diaz, I think are two things: one, hes only ever (professionally) fought guys roughly his own size, and two: if you watch his fights, win or lose, he's bloodied at the end, bc he has no back up in his game at all. Against a younger, stronger opponent it may be a bad idea to try to stand and trade with him. His cardio is good, and his advantage is in experience in fights of any kind, but I think he needs to combo and piece JP up to win it..bc I think a KO is unlikely.

some excellent observations. I remember back in the day, in the MMA gym I was working my guys in, there was indeed a lot of concern for the takedown when boxing range came into play. It is still a concern for sure, guys also have developed their own combos, angles and approaches to offset the takedown. There is also the difference in gloves which potentially can let a "striker" in MMA exploit targets more directly. What we are starting to see is a distinct difference in boxing and the striking game in MMA.

Paul has gained in confidence, there well might have been concerns when he was coming up. Boxers have a real understanding of the jab... They can always use it to reset and set up combos. Does Paul? I don't think he does, hence when you talk about his "striking" it is a good point. I get the feeling that Paul views his punch like something he has to find a way to unload, where as a boxing guy would be told Soooo many times to not look at the punch that way, rather to set it up with a jab (now a days), or with a feint, when feints were used a lot more aggressively, OR, in the real olden days, off the lead punch. BUt the training method has always been there because two boxers in a ring means two guys who know how to avoid a punch pretty well lol.

I hope Diaz does well, have a soft spot for him having grown up with guys like that in East Harlem. Diaz was the guy whom, if he saw you in a jam would help you out lol. And yes... One thing Diaz has is experience, which can translate well at times.

[JDBarrett]

some excellent observations. I remember back in the day, in the MMA gym I was working my guys in, there was indeed a lot of concern for the takedown when boxing range came into play. It is still a concern for sure, guys also have developed their own combos, angles and approaches to offset the takedown. There is also the difference in gloves which potentially can let a "striker" in MMA exploit targets more directly. What we are starting to see is a distinct difference in boxing and the striking game in MMA.

Paul has gained in confidence, there well might have been concerns when he was coming up. Boxers have a real understanding of the jab... They can always use it to reset and set up combos. Does Paul? I don't think he does, hence when you talk about his "striking" it is a good point. I get the feeling that Paul views his punch like something he has to find a way to unload, where as a boxing guy would be told Soooo many times to not look at the punch that way, rather to set it up with a jab (now a days), or with a feint, when feints were used a lot more aggressively, OR, in the real olden days, off the lead punch. BUt the training method has always been there because two boxers in a ring means two guys who know how to avoid a punch pretty well lol.

I hope Diaz does well, have a soft spot for him having grown up with guys like that in East Harlem. Diaz was the guy whom, if he saw you in a jam would help you out lol. And yes... One thing Diaz has is experience, which can translate well at times.

Thats so odd you say that, because I tell people all the time he reminds me of guys I grew up with, too..and I almost felt bad for JP fighting Tommy. There was a combo in the beginning of the third where JP just looked shocked and lost. He hadnt dealt with that before and he couldnt hide it. Funny,though, Tommy told him "After I knock you out, you can go back to fighting 40 year old UFC guys"..
I once saw, in a sparring session that turned heated,a PR guy stopped a takedown with a 6-12 elbow to the back of the head lol. Youre right, though, JP is ages removed from being a boxer even on par with Tommy Fury mainly bc none of his 'boxing coaches' have ever taught him the fundamentals,like using the jab to measure distance, he's looking for that opening for one big shot, but hes learned, boxers dont like to be hit anymore than anyone else and are better at avoiding it AND setting you up.

[JDBarrett]

some excellent observations. I remember back in the day, in the MMA gym I was working my guys in, there was indeed a lot of concern for the takedown when boxing range came into play. It is still a concern for sure, guys also have developed their own combos, angles and approaches to offset the takedown. There is also the difference in gloves which potentially can let a "striker" in MMA exploit targets more directly. What we are starting to see is a distinct difference in boxing and the striking game in MMA.

Paul has gained in confidence, there well might have been concerns when he was coming up. Boxers have a real understanding of the jab... They can always use it to reset and set up combos. Does Paul? I don't think he does, hence when you talk about his "striking" it is a good point. I get the feeling that Paul views his punch like something he has to find a way to unload, where as a boxing guy would be told Soooo many times to not look at the punch that way, rather to set it up with a jab (now a days), or with a feint, when feints were used a lot more aggressively, OR, in the real olden days, off the lead punch. BUt the training method has always been there because two boxers in a ring means two guys who know how to avoid a punch pretty well lol.

I hope Diaz does well, have a soft spot for him having grown up with guys like that in East Harlem. Diaz was the guy whom, if he saw you in a jam would help you out lol. And yes... One thing Diaz has is experience, which can translate well at times.

P.S..RE: "The Ignorant", that reminds me of the guy on Twitter who compared the covid pandemic to "The Stand", and Stephen King replied and said it wasnt..and the guy asked "Have you ever even READ The Stand"?

[billeau2]

Thats so odd you say that, because I tell people all the time he reminds me of guys I grew up with, too..and I almost felt bad for JP fighting Tommy. There was a combo in the beginning of the third where JP just looked shocked and lost. He hadnt dealt with that before and he couldnt hide it. Funny,though, Tommy told him "After I knock you out, you can go back to fighting 40 year UFC guys"..
I once saw, in a sparring session that turned heated,a PR guy stopped a takedown with a 6-12 elbow to the back of the head lol. Youre right, though, JP is ages removed from being a boxer even on par with Tommy Fury mainly bc none of his 'boxing coaches' have ever taught him the fundamentals,like using the jab to measure distance, he's looking for that opening for one big shot, but hes learned, boxers dont like to be hit anymore than anyone else and are better at avoiding it AND setting you up.

Ah the wit of the Gypsy King & Family.

[billeau2]

P.S..RE: "The Ignorant", that reminds me of the guy on Twitter who compared the covid pandemic to "The Stand", and Stephen King replied and said it wasnt..and the guy asked "Have you ever even READ The Stand"?

People just don't go the little extra... I could understand it somewhat in the days before Google... Jack London wrote some very sophisticated political commentary, and it may have even been under a pen name... But today?

[Boxfan83]

Nates the type of person if he sees what he is doing pisses you off, he will continue to do it.

[JDBarrett]

People just don't go the little extra... I could understand it somewhat in the days before Google... Jack London wrote some very sophisticated political commentary, and it may have even been under a pen name... But today?

People just say whatever they think sounds clever, facts be damned (just like people who are demonstrably wrong and wont admit it). Someone was once insuting Johnny Cash and said "well hes from Arkansas, the same place as Bill Clinton. Its not exactly known for its Rhodes Scholars".
..until I pointed out that Clinton actually was a Rhodes Scholar.
Then he tried to double down and posted this picture of Cash with the rest of the Highwaymen, and said "I was talking about how country musicians are hardly a bunch of Rhodes Scholars".
I pointed out that Kris Kristofferson, the guy right next to Cash in the picture, was a Rhodes Scholar, too.

[billeau2]

People just say whatever they think sounds clever, facts be damned (just like people who are demonstrably wrong and wont admit it). Someone was once insuting Johnny Cash and said "well hes from Arkansas, the same place as Bill Clinton. Its not exactly known for its Rhodes Scholars".
..until I pointed out that Clinton actually was a Rhodes Scholar.
Then he tried to double down and posted this picture of Cash with the rest of the Highwaymen, and said "I was talking about how country musicians are hardly a bunch of Rhodes Scholars".
I pointed out that Kris Kristofferson, the guy right next to Cash in the picture, was a Rhodes Scholar, too.

Lol, those are great examples.