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  • Bronx2245
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    #41
    Originally posted by Sid-Knee

    Al deserved everything put his way from the start. Have you forgotten how he started out by taking Oscar's fighters? However, you don't justify unjust actions due to someone else going through it. That just makes it a more toxic environment. It either stands up to scrutiny, or it doesn't.

    How can anyone deliver when you've got others refusing to fight? It was cowardice and nothing more. No real fighter turns down such great offers. Especially when the money goes way beyond their market value. But not only that, Floyd spent most of his career cherry picking like a fraud and ducking the best opponents out there. I wouldn't say that is different to what is going on now.
    Do you remember how aggressive Hearn was in signing Haymon's fighters? Haymon never took anyone to court, and he was victorious in court vs. GBP, so that should tell you something! The difference is that Hearn could do nothing for the ex-PBC fighters! Like I said Al Haymon delivered, and is still delivering for his fighters! I know Floyd beat De La Hoya, Juan Manuel Marquez, Cotto, Shane Mosely, Canelo, and Pacquiao! That's a better resume than Usyk, Joshua, Fury, Canelo, Spence, Crawford, and Tank!

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    • -Kev-
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      #42
      If he wanted to fight GBP fighters, he should’ve gone to GBP.

      But if DLH wants to stick it to Hearn since they hate eachother so much, he should make this fight. Munguia likely KO’s him.

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      • Sid-Knee
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        #43
        Originally posted by Bronx2245
        Do you remember how aggressive Hearn was in signing Haymon's fighters? Haymon never took anyone to court, and he was victorious in court vs. GBP, so that should tell you something! The difference is that Hearn could do nothing for the ex-PBC fighters! Like I said Al Haymon delivered, and is still delivering for his fighters! I know Floyd beat De La Hoya, Juan Manuel Marquez, Cotto, Shane Mosely, Canelo, and Pacquiao! That's a better resume than Usyk, Joshua, Fury, Canelo, Spence, Crawford, and Tank!
        When was Eddie "Aggressive" in trying to sign up Haymon fighters? Be specific.

        Haymon has been to court more than a few times. He was sued by Beyonce and Jay Z. The dude is a crook.

        Eddie did everything he could. He couldn't do any more. If fighters want to run away for much lesser paydays, that's on them, not Eddie. He can't force someone in the ring. Especially those who are intent to get rid of him. They want rid of him for a reason too. He's a major threat. It's insecurity and madness. Who in their right mind goes to these extremes when someone wants to put on the fights that matter in the sport and pay them that much money? They're not fans. They're nationalist extremists and cowards.

        If you want to believe Haymon delivers. Good luck. He doesn't. He's turned boxing into a cesspit. It isn't a sport any more. It's a protection racket for cowards and loonies.

        Floyd was in a position to fight anyone he wanted. But what did he do? He ran from them all for much easier fights and waited on others until they were finished or way past their best. Mosley was shot. Manny way past it. Canelo drained. Cotto finished. Marquez way too small. Under the cold light of day, that list of wins stink. And you know it. It should have been so much more. But Floyd legitimately didn't believe he could win. Remember, he said he was a rich coward. But a coward non the less.

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          #44
          Originally posted by Sid-Knee

          When was Eddie "Aggressive" in trying to sign up Haymon fighters? Be specific.

          Haymon has been to court more than a few times. He was sued by Beyonce and Jay Z. The dude is a crook.

          Eddie did everything he could. He couldn't do any more. If fighters want to run away for much lesser paydays, that's on them, not Eddie. He can't force someone in the ring. Especially those who are intent to get rid of him. They want rid of him for a reason too. He's a major threat. It's insecurity and madness. Who in their right mind goes to these extremes when someone wants to put on the fights that matter in the sport and pay them that much money? They're not fans. They're nationalist extremists and cowards.

          If you want to believe Haymon delivers. Good luck. He doesn't. He's turned boxing into a cesspit. It isn't a sport any more. It's a protection racket for cowards and loonies.

          Floyd was in a position to fight anyone he wanted. But what did he do? He ran from them all for much easier fights and waited on others until they were finished or way past their best. Mosley was shot. Manny way past it. Canelo drained. Cotto finished. Marquez way too small. Under the cold light of day, that list of wins stink. And you know it. It should have been so much more. But Floyd legitimately didn't believe he could win. Remember, he said he was a rich coward. But a coward non the less.
          When Eddie started out, he got Big Baby Miller, Michael Hunter, Andrade, Jacobs, and Tevin Farmer from PBC/SHO. Did any BOXERS sue Al Haymon? If all those fighters Floyd beat were weak opponents, then they need to change the HOF list ASAP! Didn't Mosely KO Margarito right b4 fighting Floyd? Funny how Manny got props for beating him a year later! Floyd believed in himself enough to buy out his contract and go to the full 154 to beat Oscar! He beat Cotto at 154, but he doesn't get credit for that? He beats Canelo @ 152, no credit, but Manny gets credit for beating Cotto at 145? How does this work? Manny was "way past it," but Floyd is older than Manny, so was he "way past his prime?" Anyway, he was the best fighter since Mike Tyson, retired VERY wealthy and undefeated, so i'm proud of him!

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            #45
            Originally posted by Bronx2245
            When Eddie started out, he got Big Baby Miller, Michael Hunter, Andrade, Jacobs, and Tevin Farmer from PBC/SHO. Did any BOXERS sue Al Haymon? If all those fighters Floyd beat were weak opponents, then they need to change the HOF list ASAP! Didn't Mosely KO Margarito right b4 fighting Floyd? Funny how Manny got props for beating him a year later! Floyd believed in himself enough to buy out his contract and go to the full 154 to beat Oscar! He beat Cotto at 154, but he doesn't get credit for that? He beats Canelo @ 152, no credit, but Manny gets credit for beating Cotto at 145? How does this work? Manny was "way past it," but Floyd is older than Manny, so was he "way past his prime?" Anyway, he was the best fighter since Mike Tyson, retired VERY wealthy and undefeated, so i'm proud of him!
            But how is that an aggressive approach to getting Haymon fighters? They were free to go where they wanted. They signed up with Eddie. Weren't they supposed to go with him or something? Is that deemed to be a nasty act too?

            Mosley's last hurrah was against Margarito. He gassed out after 2 rounds against Floyd and looked horribly shot. It never improved for him after that. He was done.

            Mosley was shot for Manny too and meant nothing. I don't give either credit for it.

            I consider Oscar to be a very good win based on Floyd not being a true LM. But let's not pretend Oscar wasn't clearly past his prime at this point.

            When was the last time Cotto beat a world class fighter when he fought Floyd? It was Clottey many years beforehand. Sorry, but Floyd had his opportunities to fight Cotto years before he did but he decided to let them beat each other up and weaken themselves before he'd go anywhere near them.

            Why should anyone get credit for draining an opponent? If they have a weight class, fight them there. Don't drain them. That tells you again what Floyd was all about. It would have been a quality win had he done it the right way. But no, Floyd had to be Floyd. He fought Oscar at that weight but he can't fight Canelo there? Bullshlt. You know it too.

            The Cotto win for Manny was vastly superior as it was a prime Cotto. Yeah, he should have fought him at 147 and not 145. But Cotto wasn't a big Welter like Canelo was a big LM. Plus, Floyd is able to go to LM better than Manny was to Welter. It takes some shine off, but it's still much, much better than the Cotto Floyd beat.

            You know prime isn't just based on age. Come on. Being undefeated means something if you fight who you should the proper way. If you manipulate and orchestrate for them to be weaker, then you're not a real fighter in my eyes. They're a fraud.

            There's better fighters than Tyson with Froch, Calzaghe, Usyk, Gonzales, Jones etc etc. Their resumes are better than his. .

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              #46
              Originally posted by Sid-Knee

              Both Berlanga and Munguia are with DAZN. Berlanga was released by TopRank.
              ahhh i see

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                #47
                Originally posted by daggum
                berlanga is terrible, he lost to steve rolls who was a ggg tune up. mungia is obviously terrible as well.
                How did you score Bumlanga vs Rolls?

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