Comments Thread For: Tom Brown: Winner Of Spence-Crawford Will Become The Undisputed P4P King Of Boxing

[SteveM]

I respectfully disagree. I think the winner of Spence vs Crawford is, undeniably, #1 p4p. The delays and inactivity were making things a bit cloudy but they're both still at least 90% of their respective primes and for one to add the other to their list of victories I think is, currently, the biggest feat in boxing.

Ennis and Ortiz are two fantastic talents who add tremendous depth to the weight class. They should 100% be fighting each other to decide who meets the winner of Spence Crawford (however many times they fight).

P4p is always a subjective matter. I was poised to put Haney at the top but thought Loma quite clearly beat him so that kinda throws everything into a bit of confusion currently but the winner of this is the new Mayweather of the sport.

Respect is always good. I could make a case for Crawford being top 5 P4P but not Spence. Spence is a career long WW and I don't rate this post-Mayweather WW era as that deep to be honest. Brook, Porter Ugas are very good fighters. But they are not greats. They won't get into the HOF or at least shouldn't though the general criteria is going down in recent years. Danny Garcia has done absolutely nothing at WW - he'd rather lose a close decision than get Ko'd or take damage. At 140 totally different story - great fighter.
So 2015-2023 WW has been top heavy. Crawford and Spence have been the two top dogs at 147 these last years. Even Bud doesn't have a legit resume at 147 until now - its more the eye test with him which he smashes. Plus what he did at 140. So these two guys needed each other.
But neither of them are close to being the new Mayweather. They fight at 147 and are both black - that's it. Sorry, they are just not. close to Floyd - and I'm not even that much of a Floyd fan. Mayweather has a better resume from 130 to 154. I don't much like his resume at 147 as he fought elite fighters on the decline but taken into account what he did at lower weights then Floyd is on the ATG list.
Spence and Bud would need to unify at 154 and get a belt at 160 or beat Canelo at 168 to be in the same conversation as Mayweather. Or stay at 147 and defend against Ennis - give him his chance. Same with Ortiz.

[SteveM]

Spence and Crawford have been happy to leave the question open for years of who is #1 in their division. Finally that will be resolved and the winner will deserve full credit as the man in the division, but let's not go overboard. If Inoue beats to Fulton to become undisputed in two divisions, he has to be part of the discussion.

People are already crapping on Fulton just so that Inoue is not part of the conversation. Brandon Figueroa is no joke - there is nobody who fights like him around 147 - maybe prime Porter. Or castano at 154. But Fulton handled him. Lets see if Inoue can beat Fulton, I think he might have bitten off too much but thats why they fight the fights.

[jockpunk]

Yeah count me in the camp that it is inoue if he impressively beats fulton. It is hard to have a guy number 1 p4p when he has only fought in one weight class. Not saying it can't be done, but that fighter has to be extremely dominant and have a ton of good wins at that weight class.

[joesaiditstrue]

Bollocks to that - if Inoue beats Fulton to unify at 122 he is still above Crawford and especially Spence.

Big 'If' - he may win - but don't want to hear anything about Fulton not being legit if Inoue wins. Stepping up a weight and fighting a unified champion is a legit ballsy move. Lets see if the winner of Spence Crawford does that and moves up to fight winner of Tszyu/Charlo - most likely they will go into rematch to avoid fighting dangerous mandatories at 147 vs Ennis and Ortiz

I got Bud and Spence both beating each one of those guys tbh. They aren't special talents at all. I would favor Bud over Charlo & Tszyu even if he came in at 147, same for Spence

[crisantonio917]

Uncle Al's lackey has spoken, thanks for the insight Tommy....

[SteveM]

I got Bud and Spence both beating each one of those guys tbh. They aren't special talents at all. I would favor Bud over Charlo & Tszyu even if he came in at 147, same for Spence

Errol and Bud are better boxers than Jermell and especially Tim - but Tim and Jermell are just bigger and it looks like Tim is more heavy handed than anyone Spence or Bud have ever encountered

[joesaiditstrue]

Respect is always good. I could make a case for Crawford being top 5 P4P but not Spence. Spence is a career long WW and I don't rate this post-Mayweather WW era as that deep to be honest. Brook, Porter Ugas are very good fighters. But they are not greats. They won't get into the HOF or at least shouldn't though the general criteria is going down in recent years. Danny Garcia has done absolutely nothing at WW - he'd rather lose a close decision than get Ko'd or take damage. At 140 totally different story - great fighter.
So 2015-2023 WW has been top heavy. Crawford and Spence have been the two top dogs at 147 these last years. Even Bud doesn't have a legit resume at 147 until now - its more the eye test with him which he smashes. Plus what he did at 140. So these two guys needed each other.
But neither of them are close to being the new Mayweather. They fight at 147 and are both black - that's it. Sorry, they are just not. close to Floyd - and I'm not even that much of a Floyd fan. Mayweather has a better resume from 130 to 154. I don't much like his resume at 147 as he fought elite fighters on the decline but taken into account what he did at lower weights then Floyd is on the ATG list.
Spence and Bud would need to unify at 154 and get a belt at 160 or beat Canelo at 168 to be in the same conversation as Mayweather. Or stay at 147 and defend against Ennis - give him his chance. Same with Ortiz.

I remember Angel talking about Danny going up to 154 after the Spence fight, that guy is gonna get that dude killed

[techliam]

If there’s a clear decisive winner, definitely a case

a debatable split decision, nah

[crimsonfalcon07]

IMO only if Crawford wins. I don't get why Spence's resume is viewed so favorably, unless WW wins count triple or something. And if Inoue beats Fulton, especially decisively, that's going to be a strong statement too.

Crawford, Inoue, and Usyk all have a chance to finish out the year as the first double undisputed champs of the 4 belt era. 147 is one of the most stacked divisions, so that's going to speak well for Crawford. Inoue is going for his 4th division, against the consensus best guy. I would rate him easy #1 on a win if he hadn't skipped the talent rich 115 lb division. If he had Chocolatito or Estrada, or even SSR on his record, he'd already be a 4 division champ with wins over former P4P guys.

Heavyweight isn't really stacked, but Tyson Fury gets talked about like he's maybe the best ever (which is ludicrous IMO) and it's a real David and Goliath matchup, so a win for Usyk would be a strong argument for P4P #1.

But if Spence wins, I feel like the resume argument is tougher to make and depends heavily on valuing wins at 147 more than accomplishments in other divisions.