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  • Originally posted by cyril layman View Post

    easily,it's a mismatch.Hearns would have just been to big,fast but mainly it would have been his punching power.It is hard to judge how good Floyd was because he could have fought 5-6 really good boxers in their prime but chose not to.From the good fighters he did fight in their prime the first with Castillo everyone i talk with think Castillo won their first fight but Floyd did win the rematch.Cotto was very close & first fight with Maidana very close as well.How would he have done against a classic boxer light Leonard who had good punching power (nothing compared to Hearns) & very fast hands.There is no question that Floyd never fought the type of Class of Hearns & Leonard so it is hard to tell how good he was.I actually think he would have defeated my Idol Arguello by decision that is only because of Arguello style.Duran ?? Pryor would have over whelmed Floyd late in the fight.Floyd likes to say he is P4P the greatest even better than Robinson because he went 50 fights without losing.That really got to me.Robinson went 93 fights without losing & just 1 loss in his first 129 fights.He moved up to middle weight from 147 when he was 29 years old & would go on to win the middle weight belt a record 5 times & at a time when there was only 1 belt for each division not like 4 belts today.Robinson is the reason the term P4P was invented.Am not sure how good Floyd could have been had he fought the best of his era but do know Robinson was in a class of his own .Ali was bar none the greatest HW all time while Robinson was P4P the greatest.I would put Floyd in the top 40 because he did go undefeated in his 50 fights & fought some good brawlers,but just to many more deserving & proven greats over the last 120 years of boxing for the top 30.
    I have high respect for Robinson.

    Mayweather does not equal Robinson.

    All you had to tell Robinson, when promoting him, was when, where and how much.

    He straight up fought everybody.....................Rockin'

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    • Originally posted by cyril layman View Post

      Mosley right hand buckled Floyds knees twice Hearns right hand (the hardest ww puncher of all time) would have put him to sleep like he did to Duran.It is hard to defend against Hearns because of his quick reflexes,long long reach,great jab & when you are 6'1 against 5'8 & the punches are coming from way up there Floyd done.
      What would happen if Hearns was unable to land it, thats the part thats not a given, any fool would see if Hearn's landed flush on a guy from 130 he would sleep him, he do the same to Manny probably quicker, but its fantasy tell me what is the result if Hearns cannot land a KO shot, could Mayweather use his faster more angle feet movements, could Mayweather out think Tommy out move Tommy, Its a very different fight IF Hearns couldnt land his best shots.

      And its because of this I wouldnt bet on the fight anything other that little for fun, I may think Tommy wins but I wouldnt bet on it, and it makes me laugh how matter of fact fans think it is, if they were ring side and had there house on it they would be shting bricks.

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      • Originally posted by Roadblock View Post

        What would happen if Hearns was unable to land it, thats the part thats not a given, any fool would see if Hearn's landed flush on a guy from 130 he would sleep him, he do the same to Manny probably quicker, but its fantasy tell me what is the result if Hearns cannot land a KO shot, could Mayweather use his faster more angle feet movements, could Mayweather out think Tommy out move Tommy, Its a very different fight IF Hearns couldnt land his best shots.

        And its because of this I wouldnt bet on the fight anything other that little for fun, I may think Tommy wins but I wouldnt bet on it, and it makes me laugh how matter of fact fans think it is, if they were ring side and had there house on it they would be shting bricks.
        Flush on a guy from 130?are you talking about Duran who started his career at 135 & is considered to have one of the best chins of all time.It is not just that Hearns is considered the hardest WW puncher of all time he had great skills,just ask Leonard.Leonard said he couldn't get away from Hearns quick jab & when it did land it was like a sledge hammer.Hearns was 32 0 0 30 KO when he fought Leonard but Leonard proved that night what a great chin he had.Leonard was also a true 147 wealter at 5'10.Floyd at best was 140 pounder.A 39 year old Mosley right hand hurt Floyd badly in the second round of their fight not once but twice,but at 39 just didn't have the reflexes,endurance or heart to finish up.What do you think Hearns would have done.It is very hard to defend against some one who stands 5 inches taller than you with an 8 inch reach advantage over you,with quick reflexes & power in both hands.I was a big Hagler fan & saw a good 28 of his fights & only saw one fighter rock Hagler & that was against Hearns & that is 2 division ups from 147 against one of the greatest middle weights of all time.Like i said Floyd would have had a way better chance against Leonard,Duran,Arguello.I think Leonard would win decision over Floyd.I think Floyd wins decision over Duran & Arguello but could be wrong.Even if floyd fought in the leonard era we would still be wondering if he would have beat these guys because i think he would have avoided these guys as well especially Hearns.
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        • Floyd was a great fighter but his resume is terrible. Virtually no prime undefeated fighters without weight stipulations. He gets bodied by Hearns, Duran and Sugar.
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          • I know this thread is done, but I have to ask. Does anybody think Shane who used to take PEDS hits harder than Hearns who to my knowledge, never took? Or at least wasnt busted for taking it?

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            • Originally posted by Bravado View Post
              I know this thread is done, but I have to ask. Does anybody think Shane who used to take PEDS hits harder than Hearns who to my knowledge, never took? Or at least wasnt busted for taking it?
              no. Shane's best power display was at 135. He had some pop at 147, but not like 135.

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              • Hearns has too many advantages
                over Floyd. Floyd would get fked up badly.

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                • Originally posted by Roadblock View Post

                  What would happen if Hearns was unable to land it, thats the part thats not a given, any fool would see if Hearn's landed flush on a guy from 130 he would sleep him, .
                  ...anything to save your crush from danger....

                  ....so now floyd is a 130 lb fighter as well you mean he don't ballon up to 150 after the weigh in....i mean, he do fight at welterweight don't he...

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                  • Originally posted by Pretty Boy32
                    Floyd KO’s Hearn in the 2nd.
                    Hearns said to your boy if he wasn't so small, he'd show him what easy work is.

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                    • Originally posted by Sweet Jones View Post

                      Nothing you said refutes this statement: “Mayweather’s win over Pacquaio is greater than any victory Hearns had at 147, including Cuevas.​“
                      Not at the time that the fight took place.
                      Last edited by garfios; 09-12-2023, 04:44 PM.
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