Haney and Lopez will beat Prograis easily

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  • dan_cov
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    Haney and Lopez will beat Prograis easily

    Good fighter and will beat the stuffing out of just about anyone that stands in front of him and has it out but his feet are way, way too slow.

    He'd be on the end of Haneys jab all night and Lopez would baffle the hell out of him with angles, speed and superior athleticism.

    He is good, dangerous, avoided but that fight should be a real eyeopener.
    I always say foot positioning >footspeed but Prograis' feet are next level slow and he is going to have serious issues with just about anyone with a high ring I.Q and athleticism.

    Probably done him a favour as he will land a big fight now as they will be queuing to fight him.
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    If smaller guys like Loma and Diaz can walk Haney down then why can’t Prograis? I make Prograis a heavy favourite in that one.

    Teofimo is so unpredictable, at his best he can probably outpoint Prograis but depends what version turns up. 50/50 fight for me.

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      #3
      Haney has slow feet himself. Infact. He’s not much of a mover at all.

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        Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
        If smaller guys like Loma and Diaz can walk Haney down then why can’t Prograis? I make Prograis a heavy favourite in that one.

        Teofimo is so unpredictable, at his best he can probably outpoint Prograis but depends what version turns up. 50/50 fight for me.

        I think because they have much faster, educated feet and are naturally a lot more aggressive. More aggressive counterpunchers where Prograis is more a static one that really requires you to take it to him and his bodypunching seems to go missing when fighting tall, longer fighters which shouldn't be the case.

        Both Loma and Diaz have a more educated, varied lead hand and understanding of probing and glove positioning which helped keep Haneys jab at home. Diaz a more basic approach pinning his glove to his cheek, Loma more used his feet in combination with a high technical ability to probe and parry and not allow Haney to come over the top of his lead.
        It was tactical but high paced, high level.
        They both fought differently and gave Haney trouble but I've not seen anything to suggest Prograis has the footspeed to get in those positions or the ability to take away Haneys jab and close the distance.
        I think he'd just be sat on the outside getting picked apart. It would just be target practice as Prograis' feet was stuck in cement as he swayed side to side.

        I suspect their handspeed would no doubt keep him even more honest as he has never fought anyone particularly fast in any sense.

        I think Lopez might even stop him if he is switched on.

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          Not that I don't disagree that the younger guys will edge Prograis, but I think recently people have been allowing a fighters last outing to interfere with their decision making in regards to fights.

          Unless the fighter is in his late 30s, and has a noticable decline, whenever I match guys up, It's always the best version of that fighter in the last 5 or so years.

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            I don't think Prograis would fair well vs a lot of lightweights either.
            Shakur would play with him.

            Unpopular one but I think someone like Jermaine Ortiz would give him fits also.

            For me Prograis is a second rate fighter who has been in the right place at the right time.
            Fighters unnecessarily avoiding him have really helped overhype him and have him receive the benefit of the doubt.
            I do not see this guy as some killer, if you stand in front of him he'll look like one, you show him movement and he looks all kinds of ordinary

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              #7
              Originally posted by dan_cov
              I don't think Prograis would fair well vs a lot of lightweights either.
              Shakur would play with him.

              Unpopular one but I think someone like Jermaine Ortiz would give him fits also.

              For me Prograis is a second rate fighter who has been in the right place at the right time.
              Fighters unnecessarily avoiding him have really helped overhype him and have him receive the benefit of the doubt.
              I do not see this guy as some killer, if you stand in front of him he'll look like one, you show him movement and he looks all kinds of ordinary
              He's a solid title holder with big power. Ironically enough I would rate him along with the man in my profile pic, a former 140 WBC champion

              Actually Billy Costello's wins over Bruce Curry and Ronnie Shields rate a little better
              Last edited by TheIronMike; 06-18-2023, 09:59 AM.

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                I think Zorilla's power made Prograis apprehensive. It's not the same with Haney and Devin doesn't do so great with lefties. The fight would be competitive.

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                  i said this 2 months ago... all these 140 fighters are ****e, moving up to 140 is a step down from lightweight in terms of difficulty even factoring in the added weight, i said lopez would beat taylor too

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                    Originally posted by dan_cov


                    I think because they have much faster, educated feet and are naturally a lot more aggressive. More aggressive counterpunchers where Prograis is more a static one that really requires you to take it to him and his bodypunching seems to go missing when fighting tall, longer fighters which shouldn't be the case.

                    Both Loma and Diaz have a more educated, varied lead hand and understanding of probing and glove positioning which helped keep Haneys jab at home. Diaz a more basic approach pinning his glove to his cheek, Loma more used his feet in combination with a high technical ability to probe and parry and not allow Haney to come over the top of his lead.
                    It was tactical but high paced, high level.
                    They both fought differently and gave Haney trouble but I've not seen anything to suggest Prograis has the footspeed to get in those positions or the ability to take away Haneys jab and close the distance.
                    I think he'd just be sat on the outside getting picked apart. It would just be target practice as Prograis' feet was stuck in cement as he swayed side to side.

                    I suspect their handspeed would no doubt keep him even more honest as he has never fought anyone particularly fast in any sense.

                    I think Lopez might even stop him if he is switched on.
                    You think JoJo Diaz has fast and educated feet? I’d say he’s a flat footed fighter. If Super Featherweights are walking you down, Light Welterweights shouldn’t have too many problems getting into range.

                    Haney has fast/accurate hands and good feet but his defence is leaky, once you get into range he’s relatively easy to hit. He was able to utilise his size to stay out of trouble a lot at 135, it’s gonna be a a lot harder to do that at 140 against naturally bigger/stronger men.

                    Lopez is such a tough fighter to judge man. There’s just no consistency with that guy. The guy who fought Martin or Kambosos gets f***ed up by Prograis but the guy who beat Taylor and Loma potentially beats anyone at 140. He’s the type of fighter I’ll never bet big money on or against, so unpredictable.

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