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  • Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Post
    ****m Richardson has said over and over that he doesn't see Pacquiao as a little man and that the mistake fighters have made (Ricky & Oscar) are that they go in there thinking he's smaller so they can overpower him.

    Cotto's trainer has stated that Pacquiao is smaller man and cotto will use his size & power to beat him.

    This is a huge mistake and I'm sure it's the reason ****m is picking Pacquiao to win and this is a reason why Pacquiao can **** with guys like Porter, etc. Pacquiao is not a small fighter anymore and if Cotto enters the ring with that mentality he will get stopped.
    the mistake fighters have made (Ricky & Oscar) are that they go in there thinking he's smaller so they can overpower him.
    Ricky was already mentally "destroyed" by Mayweather. Hoya was looking for a pay check and zombiefied himself. Neither of these fights/fighters can even be compared to a legit TOP WW.

    Size will factor in. Marg, Clotty and Mosley are all bigger than little man Pac. Cotto beat all but Marg which took 10 rounds to finally make him quit, not stop or be Knocked out and even that is questioned due to his gloves being loaded vs Mosley.

    Cotto has proved he can **** with bigger, stronger and possibly faster fighters than little man Pac......

    What has Pac showed? That he can talk Hoya into a pay day if he zombiefies himself? Or that he tricks Hatton into thinking that the Mayweather beating wasn't enough? Or that He (Hatton) was actually a good fighter???? Pac's true test is in November....

    Nothing I have seen that will make me beleieve he could beat the bigger, stronger guy in Cotto who again has only one defeat and it possibly took loaded gloves from a much bigger man to do that..... Cotto will adjust to Pacs speed....
    Last edited by WESS; 09-30-2009, 06:24 PM.

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    • its a bum going up against a world champion of course the world champion is gonna look good.

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      • Originally posted by prsi View Post
        Guys,
        You didn't get the point here. We did not need a unexperienced boxer to tell us something that we already knew (Pacman's speed). With the type of experience and oponents he has faced, Paulie, Judah and Mosley would dazzle him also. Hell probably even a Quintana or a Hatton also..
        He could turn in to be a great fighter but at this moment he doesn't have the knowledge or the experience same goes for Cotto's opinion if he would had only 10 fights.
        It's like if Calderon does some sparring tomorrow and the post an article saying how Calderon is dazzled by Cotto's Power. It would not be worth because of Calderon's lack of experience facing opponents with the power of 140lber up. Even Paulie would dazzle Calderon with his "power"
        I agree to a certain extent however how many divisions seperate Calderon and Pacquiao?--Atleast 7 divisions? What seperate Shawn porter and Pacquiao? 2, 3? I mean, Pacquiao is decent in size and so for him outspeed a quick, huge guy like Porter is something to be said. Not a whole lot but it's worth mentioning.

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        • Originally posted by Samadafish View Post
          In what world is right, left, right, left, right, left all to the head tactical ? God these PAC fans r idiots
          There is nothing wrong with that if all of these hit the target!

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          • Originally posted by rao007 View Post
            I agree to a certain extent however how many divisions seperate Calderon and Pacquiao?--Atleast 7 divisions? What seperate Shawn porter and Pacquiao? 2, 3? I mean, Pacquiao is decent in size and so for him outspeed a quick, huge guy like Porter is something to be said. Not a whole lot but it's worth mentioning.
            I must admit that I used Calderon as an exaggeration but if you put a 135 lber (2 or 3 divisions difference from Cotto like you well pointed out), unexperienced prospect with 10 fights as pro, as a sparring partner for Cotto, he would be dazzled with Cotto's power also, but would not be a worthy opinion because of his lack of experience in that matter.

            Point here is that we all know that Pacman probably has the fastest hands in boxing or is among the fastest 3 boxers, and we didn't need an unexperience boxer to confirm that.

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            • Originally posted by prsi View Post
              I must admit that I used Calderon as an exaggeration but if you put a 135 lber (2 or 3 divisions difference from Cotto like you well pointed out), unexperienced prospect with 10 fights as pro, as a sparring partner for Cotto, he would be dazzled with Cotto's power also, but would not be a worthy opinion because of his lack of experience in that matter.

              Point here is that we all know that Pacman probably has the fastest hands in boxing or is among the fastest 3 boxers, and we didn't need an unexperience boxer to confirm that.
              I agree that experience plays a big role in acquiring the necessary skills to beat high level fighters however sometimes athletiscim speaks a lot no matter how skilled you are. Porter is not a total noob; he knows how to cut the ring off effectively and seems to know where to throw his punches. Elite? No. Big, strong, quick, and an upcoming fighter?--Yes. That's all you can ask for.

              I mean, do you guys honestly expect Roach to ask top welter, super middleweight fighters to start working out with Pacquiao? They would probably turned it down. Trainers mostly turn to young, talented fighters as the main stable for sparring.

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              • Impressive Speed, No Dents

                I like the way the article indicates how good Pac's speed looks but also states that there are no dents. I'm glad to here how a ten win fighter and a guy who was knocked out in the first round in his last fight are letting the world know how Pac is going to fair with Cotto. Kind of like when fighters get these sparring partners to imulate Mayweather's style but only to get embarassed by the real thing at fight night. Pac is not going to get any sparring partner the equivelant to Cotto and vice-versa. So all of this talk is BS.

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                • Originally posted by WESS View Post
                  Ricky was already mentally "destroyed" by Mayweather. Hoya was looking for a pay check and zombiefied himself. Neither of these fights/fighters can even be compared to a legit TOP WW.

                  Size will factor in. Marg, Clotty and Mosley are all bigger than little man Pac. Cotto beat all but Marg which took 10 rounds to finally make him quit, not stop or be Knocked out and even that is questioned due to his gloves being loaded vs Mosley.

                  Cotto has proved he can **** with bigger, stronger and possibly faster fighters than little man Pac......

                  What has Pac showed? That he can talk Hoya into a pay day if he zombiefies himself? Or that he tricks Hatton into thinking that the Mayweather beating wasn't enough? Or that He (Hatton) was actually a good fighter???? Pac's true test is in November....

                  Nothing I have seen that will make me beleieve he could beat the bigger, stronger guy in Cotto who again has only one defeat and it possibly took loaded gloves from a much bigger man to do that..... Cotto will adjust to Pacs speed....
                  if pac wins then margarito already "mentally" destroyed cotto. if hatton was mentally destroyed he wouldnt have that mind state and drive to become P4P #1. he had the fire in the belly and was pretty good mentally. quit making excuses for ****. BTW pac has showed A LOT of what he can do.

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                  • Originally posted by pugay_kamay View Post
                    When was that fight took place? Mar 2008 right? After that he fought 3 times w/ Diaz,ODLH & Hatton have you seen any resemblance of that version of pacman with these 3 fights?

                    Now, with Cotto, have you seen he changed his style from brawler/boxer to technical boxer?

                    Dude, this is only a simple analogy, and u cannot rely too much on the past fights especially if the boxer has already evolved technically/skills wise,weight etc...

                    Still this fight is 50/50 we'll never know come fight night. Both parties have advantages and disadvantages. Whoever execute the correct or perfect fight plan (of course the fighter must be physically & mentally ready) will win the fight.
                    Agree with you man!

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                    • Originally posted by rao007 View Post
                      I agree that experience plays a big role in acquiring the necessary skills to beat high level fighters however sometimes athletiscim speaks a lot no matter how skilled you are. Porter is not a total noob; he knows how to cut the ring off effectively and seems to know where to throw his punches. Elite? No. Big, strong, quick, and an upcoming fighter?--Yes. That's all you can ask for.

                      I mean, do you guys honestly expect Roach to ask top welter, super middleweight fighters to start working out with Pacquiao? They would probably turned it down. Trainers mostly turn to young, talented fighters as the main stable for sparring.
                      My man, you have me totally out of context.

                      I'm not dis*****g the usage of Porter as a sparring partner, although he has a different style than Cotto he can be helpful because of his size and power. I'm pretty sure that Roach will have some other sparring partners to emulate other of Cotto's characteristics that Porter will probably can't provide. And yes, trainers use younger, talented and athletics fighters no doubt about that. It's like that in almost all training camps.

                      My point once again, is that, to me, it seems not important or worthy, to the extend of having even a post on this website of an opinion from a non experienced boxer that has seen probably half of the speed that most talented boxers have at the higher levels, saying how dazzled he was about the speed of one of the fastest (if not the fastest) man in the sport.

                      I have nothing against the man as a prospect or as a sparring partner, but if you have JMM (just an example), or any other high level experienced boxer, saying how fast or faster was Pacman than PBF or any other of the fast hands in the sport, then that for me is a important or worthy opinion deserving a post.
                      Last edited by prsi; 09-30-2009, 08:13 PM.

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