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  • #11
    Fury should of fought Joshua back last December, and that fight would of happened if? Team Joshua was given more time, and dealt with more professional during negotiations.

    When and if Tyson Fury fights Joshua, it will be the first time in 7-8 years he has fought another fighter 'Who has at-least World level boxing skills'.

    I have mentioned many times before, that Fury skill for skill has not fought at elite level for 7-8 years. Wilder was a elite level fight, but in terms of the demands of the fight 'Wilder is not a elite level boxer on pure technical skill, although I rate him extremely highly for what he is good at'.

    For all the people that mock Joshua, the fact remains that he is a extremely capable boxer from Mid-long range within this era of Heavyweights. Combined with that his strength, durability, stature, and punching power are all quite solid statistically WHEN you compare him to his nearest competition within this era.

    As a pure athlete, I am not talking about boxing now. As a pure athletic fighter, Joshua is a superior fighter to Fury.

    If both Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury, where invited to a top scientific physiological assessment center. And each fighter was put through various fitness test, measuring Vo2max, Speed Endurance, flexibility, maximum strength force output, strength endurance 'Joshua would beat Tyson Fury in every single category of fitness'.

    Put both fighters on a athletics track, let them compete against other in every single athletic discipline. 'Anthony Joshua would beat Tyson Fury in every single event'.

    Tyson Fury has not been inside the ring, with a fighter like Joshua at any point in his career 'The closet he has come to anything like Joshua in terms of stature and athletic ability was Wladimir Kiltschko'.

    But that was 7-8 years ago, and Tyson Fury was weighing in at 246-248 pounds. Nobody wants to acknowledge or talk about it 'The fact is Kiltschko was not at his best coming into that fight, due to his woman being unwell during the build up'.

    Regardless it is still a great win for Fury, but it was a underwhelming fight 'It is not this master class, like people try and make out'.

    Note: Tyson Fury, I don't think deep down wants to fight Anthony Joshua. Regardless of Joshua's perceived vulnerability, and the narratives that he is petrified. Tyson Fury for me has been pressured into making these fight offers, or to consider these level of fights.

    Since Fury decided to fight Chisora for the third time, since he backed out of fighting Usyk twice, since his opportune moves of trying to take advantage of Joshua perceived vulnerability in the aftermath of Joshua vs Usyk II. Tyson Fury has been under heavy pressure and criticism from the general public, boxing fans and even his hardcore fans. For the first time in his career, people in mass are questioning him as a fighting man 'A Champion'. And I honestly think it has got to him dare I say it has shook him.

    Fury in his ideal world as a fighter, in between big fights typically drops back down to domestic and European level 'This is how he wants to operate'. But when you are a WBC Heavyweight Champion, this comes with requirements that not even Fury can evade.

    I think Fury has overrated his drawing power, because if he was this big Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson type star 'He would of fought on April 29th at Wembley Stadium against a domestic or European level fighter'.

    Fury has been pressured into making this fight with Joshua. This fight is not being made under the same circumstances as last December 'Joshua has a comeback win on his resume, and he has been training with his new team for sometime'.

    Note: Tyson Fury is the number 1 Heavyweight on Merritt. But I definitely don't consider him the type of favorite against ether Usyk or Joshua, like certain people try and make out. Fury quite simply just does not have the recent form, or evidence of performing at World or Elite level to warrant him this type of favoritism.

    Tyson Fury is under big pressure, and is understanding what it truly means to be a Champion. But I will say this? To Tyson Fury credit, whether he admits this to his team 'I personally think he has identified this, and one thing I have never down played about Fury is 'Clutch Game'. When Tyson Fury has to step up, historically he will actively step up 'Maybe he understand as a Champion, that he is at that stage now' etc.

    Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 05-28-2023, 06:58 AM.
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    • #12
      Fury is now just trying to save face since ducking Usyk and almost fighting that Aussie journey man. He’s also been getting cuckold by Jon Jones. AJ is 1-2 in his last 3 and looked terrible in his win.

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      • #13
        All of these characters are an embarrassment
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        • #14
          Originally posted by VislorTurlough View Post
          All of these characters are an embarrassment

          Nah Tyson Fury is an embarrassment, he's been that since he tried to mug off the world with his constant lies and BS.
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          • #15
            Even if Fury was serious. Why the fuck would Eddie Hearn take a chance to do a fight with Tyson Fury at Wembley; When he already has two more fights lined up for Joshua later this year?

            He has an unnamed opponent for him this Summer and hopefully a Wilder bout in Saudi Arabia in December. Besides, a Wilder fight is a more winnable and less risky fight than a Fury fight.

            Matchroom is still in the rebuilding phase with Anthony Joshua. They are not trying to price him out just yet with a Tyson Fury fight.
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            • #16
              Sheesh the Fury hate is insane.

              Fury Joshua would be one of the biggest fights in UK history. The PPV would smash British records and both fighters would get huge money. It is called "prizefighting". Usyk had a chance to be undisputed, he isn't a big draw and he flew to Ukraine because he got 50-50 on a REMATCH clause, for a fight with Fury that hadnt happened, lol. Fury said no rematch was what he wanted, it is obvious who was worried about losing. Usyk is a small HW with no big power at HW. He is NEVER going to be a huge draw, he is a very good technical fighter, and no one watching HW wants to see technicians without KOs.

              Fury has now offered Joshua, Usyk, and apparently Ruiz and others, a shot at winning the belt, and at beating the lineal champ. No one wants to fight him and take the chance because he is 6'9, 270, has learned to sit down on a punch. He will steamroll these guys. AJ is now being offered again, and people are saying he should fight frickin Wilder first? That is a big fight, but not as big as Fury Joshua, and it likely ends AJ's career, given that he is now Glass Joe.

              AJ would be smart to take the massive fight with Fury. He gets a huge payday, a chance to win a belt, and real redemption. Fury almost certainly stops him, but the risk reward is far greater than a Wilder fight.

              So many people hate Fury. No one wants to fight the guy, he is too big, too good and he has a legendary chin.
              Last edited by Theshotyoudontsee; 05-28-2023, 01:50 PM.
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              • #17
                Originally posted by Theshotyoudontsee View Post
                Sheesh the Fury hate is insane.

                Fury Joshua would be one of the biggest fights in UK history. The PPV would smash British records and both fighters would get huge money. It is called "prizefighting". Usyk had a chance to be undisputed, he isn't a big draw and he flew to Ukraine because he got 50-50 on a REMATCH clause, for a fight with Fury that hadnt happened, lol. Fury said no rematch was what he wanted, it is obvious who was worried about losing. Usyk is a small HW with no big power at HW. He is NEVER going to be a huge draw, he is a very good technical fighter, and no one watching HW wants to see technicians.

                Fury has now offered Joshua, Usyk, and apparently Ruiz and others, a shot at winning the belt, and at beating the lineal champ. No one wants to fight him and take the chance because he is 6'9, 270, has learned to sit down on a punch. He will steamroll these guys. AJ is not being offered again, and people are saying he should fight frickin Wilder first? That is a big fight, but not as big as Fury Joshua, and it likely ends AJ's career, given that he is now Glass Joe.

                AJ would be smart to take the massive fight with Fury. He gets a huge payday, a chance to win a belt, and real redemption. Fury almost certainly stops him, but the risk reward is far greater than a Wilder fight.

                So many people hate Fury. No one wants to fight the guy, he is too big, too good and he has a legendary chin.
                I disagree with a lot of what you wrote, but I would agree that Joshua vs Fury is preferable to Joshua vs Wilder. Joshua vs Fury would be for a belt and the reward is greater, as you say.

                This is comparing it all on paper though. In reality, the decision will be made on what is more concrete. It remains to be seen how real this fight offer is with Fury. If the Saudi money for a fight with Wilder is a one-off, now-or-never thing, they might take it knowing the Fury fight will be there next year. There must be some concerns that they could enter into a protracted negotiation with Fury only for him to decide on a whim to do something else and maybe the Wilder fight skitters away on the wind for all time.

                Joshua vs Fury is a very big fight, but beat Wilder in December and the fight vs Fury is even bigger. The Saudi money is no doubt a sweetener as well.

                (Most popular HW of all time was Ali, btw, who was a technician)
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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Monty Fisto View Post

                  I disagree with a lot of what you wrote, but I would agree that Joshua vs Fury is preferable to Joshua vs Wilder. Joshua vs Fury would be for a belt and the reward is greater, as you say.

                  This is comparing it all on paper though. In reality, the decision will be made on what is more concrete. It remains to be seen how real this fight offer is with Fury. If the Saudi money for a fight with Wilder is a one-off, now-or-never thing, they might take it knowing the Fury fight will be there next year. There must be some concerns that they could enter into a protracted negotiation with Fury only for him to decide on a whim to do something else and maybe the Wilder fight skitters away on the wind for all time.

                  Joshua vs Fury is a very big fight, but beat Wilder in December and the fight vs Fury is even bigger. The Saudi money is no doubt a sweetener as well.

                  (Most popular HW of all time was Ali, btw, who was a technician)
                  Ali fought in the best HW era ever. He was generally the same size and stature of the other guys in that era. His skill level was dominant, AND he had real KO power. There is a humongous, vast, incredible difference in Ali vs Usyk. I love Usyk, but he has little to no chance to beat Fury. Usyk knows it and so does any rational person. A comparison to Ali is disingenuous, we both know it.

                  Fury is dominant because his size, he has very good boxing skills, and he has a great chin. Period. These guys don't want to fight Fury, for good reason.

                  Last edited by Theshotyoudontsee; 05-28-2023, 10:55 AM.
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                  • #19
                    In August Joshua should fight Hrgovic

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Monty Fisto View Post

                      I disagree with a lot of what you wrote, but I would agree that Joshua vs Fury is preferable to Joshua vs Wilder. Joshua vs Fury would be for a belt and the reward is greater, as you say.

                      This is comparing it all on paper though. In reality, the decision will be made on what is more concrete. It remains to be seen how real this fight offer is with Fury. If the Saudi money for a fight with Wilder is a one-off, now-or-never thing, they might take it knowing the Fury fight will be there next year. There must be some concerns that they could enter into a protracted negotiation with Fury only for him to decide on a whim to do something else and maybe the Wilder fight skitters away on the wind for all time.

                      Joshua vs Fury is a very big fight, but beat Wilder in December and the fight vs Fury is even bigger. The Saudi money is no doubt a sweetener as well.

                      (Most popular HW of all time was Ali, btw, who was a technician)
                      Well said. Fury can't be trusted. He can spoil everything for AJ and go ahead and fight a MMA guy. I guess Hearn and AJ are wiser now.

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