Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder Ready To Explore Usyk Title Clash if Dubois Scenario Falls Apart

[Sid-Knee]

Fury stopped Shyte faster than Joshua did.

Whyte was active and undefeated when he and AJ fought. When Fury fought him he'd been out for over a year and was one fight removed from a stoppage loss. But you keep on pretending it's the same.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Forgot this guy was delusional with constantly moving goalposts to fit his narrative. Believe what you want, but this era of heavyweights is hardly world class, and the upcoming guys aren't world beaters either. Wilder is fun to watch because he does keep pulling KO's out. He's no supreme talent, but he does help keep an otherwise boring division interesting.

[Sid-Knee]

Forgot this guy was delusional with constantly moving goalposts to fit his narrative. Believe what you want, but this era of heavyweights is hardly world class, and the upcoming guys aren't world beaters either. Wilder is fun to watch because he does keep pulling KO's out. He's no supreme talent, but he does help keep an otherwise boring division interesting.

Why did you refuse to quote me? Was it in the hope i wouldn't see it?

Where do i move the goalposts? I don't move any goalposts what-so-ever. Point out where i did so?

The only delusional one here is you with not being able to justify anything you wrote. It's a simple question. Who did Deontay beat that was world class? Being a top 10 ranked fighter isn't proof whether he deserved to be there or not. Charles Martin and Kownacki were in the top 10 too but neither were ever world class. Hell, a decades long shot to pieces Helenius was put there recently as well. That's delusion. I can justify what i write. Clearly you can't.

Bring fun in your eyes isn't a marker for being world class either. There are many fighters in many different weights who are "Fun" to some fans. It doesn't mean they're world class though.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Fury stopped Shyte faster than Joshua did.

Joshua was the first fighter to stop Whyte.

Whyte was clearly burnt out by the time he fought Fury.

Fury was doing nothing much vs Whyte until the knock-out.

Joshua was constantly able to hurt Whyte, even before the stoppage.

Fury has never been rated as a big puncher.

You even have Fury's past opponents, such as Chisora telling people that Fury is not a monster puncher.

None of Joshua's former opponents have ever mocked or criticized his power etc.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Why did you refuse to quote me? Was it in the hope i wouldn't see it?

Where do i move the goalposts? I don't move any goalposts what-so-ever. Point out where i did so?

The only delusional one here is you with not being able to justify anything you wrote. It's a simple question. Who did Deontay beat that was world class? Being a top 10 ranked fighter isn't proof whether he deserved to be there or not. Charles Martin and Kownacki were in the top 10 too but neither were ever world class. Hell, a decades long shot to pieces Helenius was put there recently as well. That's delusion. I can justify what i write. Clearly you can't.

Bring fun in your eyes isn't a marker for being world class either. There are many fighters in many different weights who are "Fun" to some fans. It doesn't mean they're world class though.

Didn't say that there was. I said, repeatedly, that this era is weak, and there's not much that qualifies it as "world class" as evidenced by Luis Ortiz STILL being rated top ten by most credible organizations (Ring, Transnational, ESPN, etc) even after two knockout losses to Wilder and others. That's why I'm talking about you moving the goal posts. You're the one talking about Wilder needing to face some mysterious world class opposition, but this era is hardly world class, and he's pretty clearly one of the best in this era.

Mostly when the term "world class" gets used in any credible fashion, it refers to fighting either champions or ranked opponents. And I'm not talking about the nonsense rankings of the alphabet organizations, because they remove top guys who compete in sanctioned bouts for other organizations. When that gets pointed out, you change it and claim that a champion and a ranked contender don't count. Well, if they don't count then we're talking actual class, and most heavies in this era don't count either, so it's right back to nonsense speculation territory, because NONE of the active guys have good resumes.

All you have is speculation, as usual. FACTS are that every single opponent who has ever faced him has tasted canvas. Until he fights more people, all you'll have is guesswork and speculation. Is he supremely skilled? No, not remotely. And I've said that repeatedly as well. The fact that I have to spell this all out for you says everything.

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Didn't say that there was. I said, repeatedly, that this era is weak, and there's not much that qualifies it as "world class" as evidenced by Luis Ortiz STILL being rated top ten by most credible organizations (Ring, Transnational, ESPN, etc) even after two knockout losses to Wilder and others. That's why I'm talking about you moving the goal posts. You're the one talking about Wilder needing to face some mysterious world class opposition, but this era is hardly world class, and he's pretty clearly one of the best in this era.

Mostly when the term "world class" gets used in any credible fashion, it refers to fighting either champions or ranked opponents. And I'm not talking about the nonsense rankings of the alphabet organizations, because they remove top guys who compete in sanctioned bouts for other organizations. When that gets pointed out, you change it and claim that a champion and a ranked contender don't count. Well, if they don't count then we're talking actual class, and most heavies in this era don't count either, so it's right back to nonsense speculation territory, because NONE of the active guys have good resumes.

All you have is speculation, as usual. FACTS are that every single opponent who has ever faced him has tasted canvas. Until he fights more people, all you'll have is guesswork and speculation. Is he supremely skilled? No, not remotely. And I've said that repeatedly as well. The fact that I have to spell this all out for you says everything.

Whyte - Parker, Chisora x2.
Joshua - Parker, Whyte, Wlad, Povetkin, Ruiz.
Parker - Ruiz.
Ruiz - Joshua.
Povetkin - Whyte.
Fury - Wlad, Chisora x2.
Usyk, Chisora, Joshua x2.
Chisora - Parker.

This lot found it easy to do so. These were willing to fight both Wilder and Ortiz but they both ran for years.

I'm moving the goalposts because i said which world class fighters did they beat? Where did i move them from as that's been the same position i've always held. Point out otherwise please? You're seeing something that doesn't exist.

Not once did i talk about the rankings of the world titles. If you think i did, please point it out to me?

Having a title or being on the top 10 world rankings doesn't mean you're world class for many reasons. You have to beat other world class fighters to prove you're world class. None of them could support their positions but you know what the US is like with putting certain fighters in bogus positions to try and create an image that clearly doesn't exist. Stiverne beat Arreola and nobody else. But the US put him high up the rankings. Ortiz beat a Jennings who beat no one of worth and coming straight from a loss to Wlad. Going over the fighters around that time period, you mean to tell me they should be in those positions over them?

Plenty of decent fighters around too but they still managed to avoid them in Takam, Pulev, Joyce, Zhang, Rivas etc etc...

Speculation is what you're coming up with. I'm using about as close to facts as boxing will allow. You can trace world class wins as they also have world class wins. Those who you can't trace, are not world class. It's very simple. Unless you think it's speculation that any fighter in history beat world class fighters?