Comments Thread For: Spence On Avoiding Tuneups: "It Shouldn't Take Another Fight For Me To Be Sharp and On Point"

[Oregonian]

You gave a deflection and a fallacy. You made a comment on Crawford not fighting opponents he should be fighting. I asked you who they were. Not once have you given me these names. Now you're engaging in ad hominem attacks. Yet you're accusing me of not being an adult?

You can't answer the question because you have no opponents to give that he should be fighting. That's why you're playing this laughable game of projection.

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Had you not made your counter response a personal attack on me, I would have responded to your question directly.
YOU STARTED IT.
This is no longer a discourse.

[BlackRobb]

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I’m just glad that you AGREE with me that Khan and Brook were both BODY BAGS (your words) and irrelevant when Bud fought them.
There must be a reason you ignored that fact.

If Crawford really wanted Boots or Ortiz, he would have been pretty vocal about it.
Boots is on record asking why Bud fought Kavaliauskas instead of him.

Feel free to ignore the Khan and Brook fact. Again

That's interesting because as I recall, many of you Spence fan boys were howling for months how Bud was "ducking" Porter and Brook. Once he flattened their tires, the narrative changed and the goalposts were moved once again to "Brook was shot!" and "Shawn was semi-retired". You boys are quite good at bending facts to suit your agendas.

Yep, Bud had no business fighting Khan, but he wouldn't have fought guys like Khan if Thurman and Garcia stepped up. It always tickles me how you Spence fan boys build Ugas up to be an elite fighter. Ugas was a journeyman body bag with four losses (two to Mexican pastry chefs) who happened to catch a fading Manny at the right time. Since getting crushed by Earl, that aging street sweeper hasn't even tried to fight, just some occasional chirping about wanting to fight Thurman or some other check chaser.

Why would Crawford call for fights with Boots or Ortiz Jr.? Neither has a belt. Ortiz Jr. was Bud's WBO mandatory and could have demanded that fight. Boots was next in line and could have done the same once Ortiz Jr. made it clear he wasn't interested. Neither of them wanted that Nebraska smoke. Instead, they pursued a route to Spence, the easier and safer route. Words are words. Actions talk.

[Sid-Knee]

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Had you not made your counter response a personal attack on me, I would have responded to your question directly.
YOU STARTED IT.
This is no longer a discourse.

And without doubt, another deflection. Like clockwork.

You should read your reply to my simple question again. You questioned my logic when coming out with illogical fallacies and deflection. The same deflections you're giving every time you post to nothing other than a simple question. A simple question you and i know you can't answer. Another fallacy is claiming that the first time i asked you the question had some kind of insult attached to it. It didn't. But you still came out with the fallacies and deflected. Nothing was a direct answer.

It's hard isn't it to slander when someone sees you for what you are. It forces you to make a fool out of yourself repeatedly in trying to shake them off your case. Don't worry though, i knew what to expect. I know this forum and the posters like the back of my hand. Please continue trying to work through your emotional problems and how you can't live without the fantasy world you've created because the reality is clearly far too much for you to contend with.

[F l i c k e r]

This all could have been sorted if Haymon gave a guarantee to Crawford. He gave it to lesser fighters and fights. But Haymon and Spence didn't want this fight to go forward so they frustrated the situation and forced Crawford to walk the same way Fury did with Usyk. it's a tactic to manipulate the public. But no sane person falls for it.

Why wouldn't they let a fighter know what money is being spent and made? They're supposed to be kept in the dark and not know? No one from their side is allowed to know the ins and outs? What? How is that so? How does that make sense? Explain.

Youtube Rachel Donaire Crawford or something. There you will find your answer.

Regardless of what you think. That is a person that is more in the know than your opinion or my opinion. She negotiates and handles these things as her living. If she is saying that, especially as a neutral party. Your opinion, my opinion is irrelevant. You may not want it to be that way but it is closer to the truth than anything you and I can speak about it.

[Sid-Knee]

Youtube Rachel Donaire Crawford or something. There you will find your answer.

Regardless of what you think. That is a person that is more in the know than your opinion or my opinion. She negotiates and handles these things as her living. If she is saying that, especially as a neutral party. Your opinion, my opinion is irrelevant. You may not want it to be that way but it is closer to the truth than anything you and I can speak about it.

Rachel can explain why Haymon refused to give Crawford a guarantee in a much bigger fight for Spence but was only too happy to give one to fighters in fights nowhere near as big as Crawford/Spence?

[Oregonian]

That's interesting because as I recall, many of you Spence fan boys were howling for months how Bud was "ducking" Porter and Brook. Once he flattened their tires, the narrative changed and the goalposts were moved once again to "Brook was shot!" and "Shawn was semi-retired". You boys are quite good at bending facts to suit your agendas.

Yep, Bud had no business fighting Khan, but he wouldn't have fought guys like Khan if Thurman and Garcia stepped up. It always tickles me how you Spence fan boys build Ugas up to be an elite fighter. Ugas was a journeyman body bag with four losses (two to Mexican pastry chefs) who happened to catch a fading Manny at the right time. Since getting crushed by Earl, that aging street sweeper hasn't even tried to fight, just some occasional chirping about wanting to fight Thurman or some other check chaser.

Why would Crawford call for fights with Boots or Ortiz Jr.? Neither has a belt. Ortiz Jr. was Bud's WBO mandatory and could have demanded that fight. Boots was next in line and could have done the same once Ortiz Jr. made it clear he wasn't interested. Neither of them wanted that Nebraska smoke. Instead, they pursued a route to Spence, the easier and safer route. Words are words. Actions talk.

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No sane fan is saying Ugas is elite. Ugas beat Manny and had a belt which Spence unified.
I could say the same thing about Bud fighting Jeff Horn. Horn was a glorified journeyman that got a gift against Manny but Bud needed that belt.
Let me guess, you think Horn vs Crawford was a great matchup, amiright?

[Oregonian]

And without doubt, another deflection. Like clockwork.

You should read your reply to my simple question again. You questioned my logic when coming out with illogical fallacies and deflection. The same deflections you're giving every time you post to nothing other than a simple question. A simple question you and i know you can't answer. Another fallacy is claiming that the first time i asked you the question had some kind of insult attached to it. It didn't. But you still came out with the fallacies and deflected. Nothing was a direct answer.

It's hard isn't it to slander when someone sees you for what you are. It forces you to make a fool out of yourself repeatedly in trying to shake them off your case. Don't worry though, i knew what to expect. I know this forum and the posters like the back of my hand. Please continue trying to work through your emotional problems and how you can't live without the fantasy world you've created because the reality is clearly far too much for you to contend with.

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I could go back and copy what you wrote me. But why waste my time with you. You literally insulted me. Because I disagreed with you. How juvenile are you?

[BlackRobb]

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No sane fan is saying Ugas is elite. Ugas beat Manny and had a belt which Spence unified.
I could say the same thing about Bud fighting Jeff Horn. Horn was a glorified journeyman that got a gift against Manny but Bud needed that belt.
Let me guess, you think Horn vs Crawford was a great matchup, amiright?

No. Crawford-Horn was a horrific mismatch going in, and I said as much, but there were actually fans who said Horn might be too strong for Bud. I can actually show you screenshots of that from my Facebook boxing group. I can also show you fans who were saying Bud was ducking Viktor Postol and Felix Diaz. Some were calling Postol a 50/50 fight. I kid you not. I can show actual screenshots of that too. Funny how the narrative always changes after Crawford crushes these guys. After he does, they magically become tomato cans or semi-retired.

[EmpiresBoxing]

sPEDSnce is just another cowards boxer of this generation.

[Oregonian]

No. Crawford-Horn was a horrific mismatch going in, and I said as much, but there were actually fans who said Horn might be too strong for Bud. I can actually show you screenshots of that from my Facebook boxing group. I can also show you fans who were saying Bud was ducking Viktor Postol and Felix Diaz. Some were calling Postol a 50/50 fight. I kid you not. I can show actual screenshots of that too. Funny how the narrative always changes after Crawford crushes these guys. After he does, they magically become tomato cans or semi-retired.

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In the same context, I never said Postol-Bud was a 50/50 fight.
The only time I’ve said Bud was in a 50/50 fight was with Porter based off Porter’s performance against Spence. I’ve never doubted Crawford’s skills. I’ve only questioned his choice of opponents.

But, my response to you in regard to Horn is no different from Spence vs Ugas. Crawford needed a belt at 147. A belt gives fighters two things - legitimacy and leverage. Unless one is popular like Canelo or PAC or even Floyd.
I understand why Bud faced Horn despite it being a mismatch. Why can’t you understand that Spence fighting Ugas was not about bragging rights but unification which gives Spence leverage when comes to negotiations and undisputed bragging rights.

It’s also exactly what Bud did at 140. No one remembers the opponents but they throw out that fact all the time. That Bud unified 140 division.
So, I’m agreeing with you