How can Loma get rid of Huggies' jab?

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  • Silence
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    How can Loma get rid of Huggies' jab?

    Angles with solid footwork or head and upper movement? Or... can't he get rid of?

    I think Haney's only chance is using his decent jab very effectively. Well-trained Loma dominates power punch department.
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  • Cypocryphy
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    Oh. He can get rid of his jab. It'll be hard, however. Haney has really worked on making his rhythm hard to time. But when he fights southpaws, he tends to measure. He likes to try to pin that jab hand up in the high guard. He does this either to get the opponent to throw a left or he does it to blind them, that way they can't see him try to land a straight right, either to the stomach or head. That's Haney's MO.

    HOWEVER, Loma doesn't play that game. He get under it, slap it down, do all kind of tricks to get inside. And if he does that, he can get to Haney's body, which is what he should do. You stick that jab out like that, your whole body is exposed. Loma can slip under and slam him with a straight left to the body. Or he can come over the top. Haney has a lot of amateurish moves. Once Loma does that, we'll see Haney stop using his jab so much. He won't be confident anymore when he gets blasted every time he tries to do that.

    That's why I see Haney trying to fight hands down a lot in this fight. And though that sounds bad, just relying on reflexes, he's hard as hell to time that way. It throws a lot of fighters off and makes them gun shy for some reason. So we'll see ...

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      #3
      Originally posted by Cypocryphy
      Oh. He can get rid of his jab. It'll be hard, however. Haney has really worked on making his rhythm hard to time. But when he fights southpaws, he tends to measure. He likes to try to pin that jab hand up in the high guard. He does this either to get the opponent to throw a left or he does it to blind them, that way they can't see him try to land a straight right, either to the stomach or head. That's Haney's MO.

      HOWEVER, Loma doesn't play that game. He get under it, slap it down, do all kind of tricks to get inside. And if he does that, he can get to Haney's body, which is what he should do. You stick that jab out like that, your whole body is exposed. Loma can slip under and slam him with a straight left to the body. Or he can come over the top. Haney has a lot of amateurish moves. Once Loma does that, we'll see Haney stop using his jab so much. He won't be confident anymore when he gets blasted every time he tries to do that.

      That's why I see Haney trying to fight hands down a lot in this fight. And though that sounds bad, just relying on reflexes, he's hard as hell to time that way. It throws a lot of fighters off and makes them gun shy for some reason. So we'll see ...
      The most significant question:

      Does he still have physical ability to do those? He is 35.

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        Feint, manipulate it with his own lead hand, counter with the left hand. JoJo got past it pretty easily.

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          Loma's made a career of making a mockery of orthodox fighters' jabs. It's way easier with an orthodox fighter because getting to the outside is as simple as a slip step and shuffle. He can do that in the blink of an eye, and he almost always does it with a blinding punch. Jab, slip outside on the recoil, shuffle to the T, or split entry lead cross, shuffle to the T.

          Lopez countered that somewhat by a diagonal pop out, but that's very tiring over time and Haney's foot speed isn't really designed for constant in and out. Bivol is another good example of someone who's popping in and out.

          Lopez also used an uppercut to try to discourage some of the movement, but Haney doesn't have Lopez's power.

          Haney will need to mix up his jab with a long hook to try to keep Loma in front where Haney does his best work.

          Cypocryphy is right to talk about timing IMO. Loma is so hard to fight because of the mental pressure, and the constant feints. He does a great job of luring opponents into his own timing. Whichever one of them manages to impose his timing will likely win the fight. This is going to be such a good stylistic matchup, especially since Haney actually seems motivated to bust out a mean streak, to and Loma knows this is his last chance.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Silence

            The most significant question:

            Does he still have physical ability to do those? He is 35.
            I do believe he still has the ability. True, he's not 26 anymore. However, I rewatched that Lomachenko vs Ortiz fight, and I really think Loma put on a dominant performance. Many times I heard the announcers claim that Ortiz landed a punch when he didn't. You'd see Loma catch the shot on his elbow, and you'd hear Bradley exclaim, "Brutal body shot!"

            There was a narrative being given by the announcers that didn't reflect what actually occurred in the ring. That scorecard of 117 to 111 is dead on accurate. That's the fight that happened.

            Also, I remember leading up to that fight seeing Loma doing interviews. I saw him at several fights, weeks out from his own fight. I saw him at fundraising events for the Ukraine, weeks out from his own fight.

            So truth be told, he wasn't taking Jamaine Ortiz seriously. I think that has something to do with his performance.

            Anyway, I do believe Loma has enough left to get the victory. However, Haney's weight and who the ref is will have a significant impact on this fight. That's my concern. I just want to see as fair a fight as possible. That's it. And if the fight is fair, Loma is an excellent chance of winning.

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              Originally posted by Cypocryphy

              I do believe he still has the ability. True, he's not 26 anymore. However, I rewatched that Lomachenko vs Ortiz fight, and I really think Loma put on a dominant performance. Many times I heard the announcers claim that Ortiz landed a punch when he didn't. You'd see Loma catch the shot on his elbow, and you'd hear Bradley exclaim, "Brutal body shot!"

              There was a narrative being given by the announcers that didn't reflect what actually occurred in the ring. That scorecard of 117 to 111 is dead on accurate. That's the fight that happened.

              Also, I remember leading up to that fight seeing Loma doing interviews. I saw him at several fights, weeks out from his own fight. I saw him at fundraising events for the Ukraine, weeks out from his own fight.

              So truth be told, he wasn't taking Jamaine Ortiz seriously. I think that has something to do with his performance.

              Anyway, I do believe Loma has enough left to get the victory. However, Haney's weight and who the ref is will have a significant impact on this fight. That's my concern. I just want to see as fair a fight as possible. That's it. And if the fight is fair, Loma is an excellent chance of winning.
              Haney hasn't shown that he can move or throw as much as Ortiz nor counter and pivot as well. The Loma from the Ortiz fight shouldn't have too much trouble closing distance and tagging Haney. Diaz didn't.

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                Originally posted by ColdBlooded

                Haney hasn't shown that he can move or throw as much as Ortiz nor counter and pivot as well. The Loma from the Ortiz fight shouldn't have too much trouble closing distance and tagging Haney. Diaz didn't.
                Yeah. Haney is so worried about being countered that he just throws one punch at a time. When he does throw a combo, it's just two punches. Guy is always fighting scared. That being said, I just saw an interview he did with Ward, and he said he wants to win impressively. Let's see how long that lasts!! lmao

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Cypocryphy

                  Yeah. Haney is so worried about being countered that he just throws one punch at a time. When he does throw a combo, it's just two punches. Guy is always fighting scared. That being said, I just saw an interview he did with Ward, and he said he wants to win impressively. Let's see how long that lasts!! lmao
                  Funnily enough, he's not much of a counterpuncher himself. He bends down and holds. What happens when he is waiting for the opening for the right hand and Loma slips in a left hand? Or Loma feints a combination out of him that hits air? Do we think Haney will be throwing 5 punch combos at air to keep Loma off like Ortiz did?

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                    Originally posted by ColdBlooded
                    Funnily enough, he's not much of a counterpuncher himself. He bends down and holds. What happens when he is waiting for the opening for the right hand and Loma slips in a left hand? Or Loma feints a combination out of him that hits air? Do we think Haney will be throwing 5 punch combos at air to keep Loma off like Ortiz did?
                    lol Yeah. No five punch combos from Haney. I don't think he even does that in sparring. Speaking of sparring (and this is not a joke; I'm dead serious), Haney is that only boxer I have ever seen who practices slipping a punch and countering with a hug. It's absolutely mind boggling. He has an opportunity to punch and land that punch, but instead of punching, he jumps forward to grab his opponent. LMAO!! If it weren't so boring, it'd be comical.

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