Better Boxer Floyd or Sugar Ray Leonard?

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Based on what I can see him doing, based on what it took and who beat those guys, based on Floyds ability he is one of the greatest defensive fighters to ever live, if you cannot hit Floyd is extremely hard to beat him, all these ATGs can beat him, IF they can catch him, and now we look at Floyds assets, he never gets tired, he is never not in control even when hurt he is still in control, to land solid is rarity with Mayweather in the 1000s of punches thrown at him by great fighters only 2 or 3 really solid shots have landed, this is why size when talking ATGs is so relevant in coming to fair conclusion, because its the size that allows the land, if Floyd is the same size its harder to land on him and it has less effect, and that's not saying Floyd wins, they are ATGs I can see all them beating each other if you made them all the same natural weight.

Dude he did that against faded name fighters and c listers..

He avoided the fighters that would have answered weather he would be competitive with any of those guys

We get it. You are so enamored with Floyd, but after Hatton sorry too many cherrypicked fights to suggest he could hang with any top 10 atg ww

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Hagler could if he wanted to just like any other natural MW, if they choose to move up they can, Hagler chose not to.

Your brain thinks like a female, why would you bring height into a debate about boxers weights. totally irrelevant girl.

Do you know back them wasn't as easy as today. They weight in the same day of the fight, beside, some athletes can outgrow their division, others can't. Napoles started out as 135/140, never got the opportunity to fight at those weight and ended up at 147/160. No 154 back then, nor 168. Most of those fighters stayed at their best weight.

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this is why size when talking ATGs is so relevant in coming to fair conclusion, because its the size that allows the land, if Floyd is the same size its harder to land on him and it has less effect, and that's not saying Floyd wins, they are ATGs I can see all them beating each other if you made them all the same natural w

Do you understand what p4p means that means at any weight, and Duran, Srl p4p overall are miles higher than Floyd. He'll Hearns trumps Floyd p4p at ww his only loss was to Srl at ww.

Even you will use the Floyd is too small excuse, so maybe you should compare him to the Hameds of the world, stay in a small man's place.

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Dude he did that against faded name fighters and c listers..

He avoided the fighters that would have answered weather he would be competitive with any of those guys

We get it. You are so enamored with Floyd, but after Hatton sorry too many cherrypicked fights to suggest he could hang with any top 10 atg ww

He beat the best in the world across 20 yrs to become the best fighter of his era.

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Do you understand what p4p means that means at any weight, and Duran, Srl p4p overall are miles higher than Floyd. He'll Hearns trumps Floyd p4p at ww his only loss was to Srl at ww.

Even you will use the Floyd is too small excuse, so maybe you should compare him to the Hameds of the world, stay in a small man's place.

Pound for pound means at the same weight ******, its fantasy where all weights are rated as if they were in the same weight division.

Read it slowly miss, pound for pound.

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Do you know back them wasn't as easy as today. They weight in the same day of the fight, beside, some athletes can outgrow their division, others can't. Napoles started out as 135/140, never got the opportunity to fight at those weight and ended up at 147/160. No 154 back then, nor 168. Most of those fighters stayed at their best weight.

I understand if a fighter is a natural 160 pounder he can easily move to 168 or push 175 if he wants to, because of the very nature of boxing fighters have always drawn themselves into the lightest division, that means there is a built in leeway if a guy choses to move up, it doesnt matter if its 1920 or 2023 a pound is a pound. Hagler could make 168 easy if he wanted to and he would be more cut up physically that Floyd was at 154 against Oscar.

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He beat the best in the world across 20 yrs to become the best fighter of his era.

I disagree.

He beat the best available up to Hatton. After that he carefully handpicked his way to the finish line. Finishing off with a 0 - 0 non boxer. No disrespect to Canelo

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Pound for pound means at the same weight

No it means at any weight the fighter is still great

Meaning Duran a lw was able to beat Srl a ww because he is as great as Srl at ww p4p

p4p Duran and Sugar lap Floyd because they beat better guys in their prime than Floyd wanted to challenge himself to do

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I understand if a fighter is a natural 160 pounder he can easily move to 168 or push 175 if he wants to, because of the very nature of boxing fighters have always drawn themselves into the lightest division, that means there is a built in leeway if a guy choses to move up, it doesnt matter if its 1920 or 2023 a pound is a pound. Hagler could make 168 easy if he wanted to and he would be more cut up physically that Floyd was at 154 against Oscar.

This dude is unreal what incentive would Hagler have to go to 168 in 1987. 168 was an absolute nothing division it carried no big stars no $. He was pushing 70 fights after losing to Leonard he was already past his prime he fought the absolute best guy on the planet in his final fight that he still believes he won. It was either retire on top or start getting whooped by lessor fighters he made the right play in hindsight.

Unlike Floyd who is cherrypicking the likes of Andre Berto and Connor ****ing McGregor because he was too risk adverse.

One day it's gonna sink in that Floyd Mayweather took the road less traveled avoided fighting the best guys at their best like it was a plague

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I understand if a fighter is a natural 160 pounder he can easily move to 168 or push 175 if he wants to, because of the very nature of boxing fighters have always drawn themselves into the lightest division, that means there is a built in leeway if a guy choses to move up, it doesnt matter if its 1920 or 2023 a pound is a pound. Hagler could make 168 easy if he wanted to and he would be more cut up physically that Floyd was at 154 against Oscar.

You have to take into consideration body type. Some can others can't. It's easier to gain weight than to lose it. Do you know how hard it is for anyone to keep the same weight year in year out.