Is the heavyweight division in America dead?
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In light of recent developments, is Ruiz vs Wilder now possible just to put the heavyweight division back on the US boxing map?
Any way fans can make Wilder the top heavyweight guy in America become more active, instead of waiting for a retirement fight?Comment
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Nice post and list - glad to see the bolded name included. . I thought Zbikowski was decent, had some promise if he continued (or chosen boxing instead of football). Definitely the best NFL player I've seen box, but I haven;t seen all the names on that list. I think he finished like 6-0 a CW and had Emanuel Steward in his corner for a couple of those fights if I remember right.
There are only 1,504 rostered players in the NFL, 903 in the NHL, 750 in MLB and 450 in the NBA. Leaving it limited to those 4 sports, thats only 3,607 great athletes that those team sports are "stealing away" from the athlete/fighter talent pool.
With 8,061,550,000 living people, there's bound to be some left over who can fight better than they can play Football.
Moreover, if Marc Gastineau, Budda Paris, Too Tall Jones, Lyle Alzado, Ray Edwards, LaVeon Bell, Adam Braidwood, Tex Hamer, Mike Balogun, Alonzo Highsmith, Eddie Blake, Tony Faeth, Tom Zbikowski, Jack Torrance, Ray Richards, Earl Nolan, Al Nesser, Leif Larsen, Craig Wolfley and George Linberger are any indication of how those guys would do; boxing isn't missing a thing.
In Boxing, being a great athlete is vitally important, but being a great natural fighter matters 10 times more.
A soft, pasty scrapper beating the snots out of a perfect beach physique....if I had a nickel for every time I've seen it.
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I think he had some amateur experience he built as he played football as a teenager. He fought during a lockout season in the middle of his football career, so he was still relatively young. He was a big hitter as a safety on some of the Ravens defenses led by Ray Lewis, he was legit in the NFL too. He might have had the mentality needed for boxing, but he never full pursued.
Overall, I also take the stance of your first two paragraphs, but I am sure we would be able to find some good fighters among these players. I tend to think we'd find more who are just working some odd job. they come from all walks.
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BTW you can add Greg Hardy to that list as well.Last edited by LA_2_Vegas; 10-08-2023, 05:20 PM.Comment
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He's the only one I can think of, but Anderson has been repeatedly saying he's not in it for the long haul. Nobody knows how far he would go, but he's being slowed-tracked by Arum, who have no problem pitting him against established UK fighters. Warren and Arum are buddies.
The other one is Frank Sanchez, who is not even American. But all this guy's have been fighting are leftovers. Wilder is almost retired.Comment
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If that’s the case then why does all of Eastern Europe(293m population) only has 3 champs while America(333m) has 9? America has more champs and p4p fighters than all of Eastern Europe according to The Ring.
Americans blame it on the better athletes being in other sports...
Like other countries don't have other sports
or like the NFL didn't exist in the past.
Really all that happened is Americans dominated pretty much when Soviet fighters weren't in pro boxing. Well Lewis wasn't American but he dominated a bit before the first real wave of ex Soviets entered pro bro boxing, and they dominated after that for a while, until Fury come along and since it's been dominated by Brit's and Eastern europeans
Just like the cruiserweight division has been pretty much dominated by Eastern euros
Light heavyweight even more so.
The truth is the higher weight classes only made Americans look good because there was less competition
This doesn’t make sense. The average height in Russia and Ukraine 5.8ft/176cm. But hey I guess you needed an excuse as to why Eastern Europe isn’t really relevant below light heavyweight. Also different sports but America has dominated World Athletics Championships and Olympics for decades while Eastern Europe has mostly been a non factor. So reading that they’re “tougher” and “real men” is hilarious.Originally posted by deathofaclownSlavs, Cossacks etc are simply tougher people than Americans. Especially in the heavier weight classes where real men fight, not so much small weight classes where they are all the size of teenage girls.Last edited by Messier 57; 10-08-2023, 10:57 PM.Comment
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