Comments Thread For: Spence-Crawford: Showtime's Espinoza 'Optimistic' Fight 'Gets Done,' But No Announcement Saturday

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

He has never looked 200 lbs. That'll be obese for his height lol

You've never seen him in person have you?....... 200lbs on a 5'9" frame is far from obese.....

Emmit Smith was the same height, and 221lbs.....did he look fat?

Walter Payton was 5'10" and 200lbs

Errol Spence Jr literally has the structure of an NFL running back. He just happens to drain to 147........ as an amateur he fought at middleweight. He began his pro career at 154 before moving down to welterweight after his 10th fight.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

Spence VS Thurman was never officially announced. This leaves me to believe he is negotiating to face Crawford. Now if Crawford, announces within the next few weeks that he's going to face someone else.......this will make it clear to me.....that he doesn't want to face Spence.

How does that make it clear...... If Crawford announces he will face someone else. It's clear that negotiations couldn't be agreed upon. Not that Crawford doesn't want to face Spence.

What exactly is Crawford suppose to do to prove to you Spence Fans that he really meant what he said back in 2018...... It was Spence who said get a belt, It was Spence who said he was on the wrong side of the street, It was Spence who said "why don't I go the easy route...." It was Spence who chose to fight a lightweight (Mikey) instead of unifying after being called out......

Crawford said in December after stopping Porter that he wanted to fight 3x in 2022. He wanted Spence (or Ugas if he was to win, which he didn't) and he wanted the winner of the Charlo/Castano fight. Spence fought Ugas and claimed he wanted Crawford next, yet that man went GHOST during the negotiations. Never did ANYTHING to push for the fight to get done. Crawford was the one on the phone talking directly to Espinoza & Haymon. The negotiations went from April to September and still nothing, so Crawford took a stay busy fight and said clearly, he still wanted Spence......

Y'all Spence fans are weird....Y'all don't hold Spence accountable for a damn thing but have the nerve to call him The Truth..... Truth is, he's undisciplined outside of the sport....He gets overweight, he gets drunk, speeds, crashes into things, allows drunk videos with his ex get leaked, etc..... But that's the man y'all love, and choose to throw hate at Crawford who has done nothing but be professional throughout this process.

Crawford didn't run from negotiations. He stayed busy like ANY PROFESSIONAL BOXER should. All while filming a movie and pushing negotiations and jumping on different media outlets to keep a buzz going........ We've seen Spence a couple times in public and most of those times, he's trying to run from the camera or act like he's too tired to answer questions......

[QballLobo]

Nothing you said is factual. But when people get a WiFi connection, I guess they don't need to be, because they feel their opinions are valuable.

You should really start reading and/or do research. Crawford and BLK Prime confirmed that all moneys had been paid... Unless you have Crawford's tax forms.....it's ignorant to try to push a notion that he didn't receive what both parties said he did.

Broner signing with Don King had more to do with he had a contract to fight and it never happened. He had 3 different opponents all walk away from the fight.... How is that on BLK. They can't honor a contract that wasn't fulfilled.

And how TF was Crawford supposed to fight Spence in 2016? In 2016, Spence hadn't even won a world title yet. He fought Algeri and Bundu that year. Crawford, in 2016, wasn't even a damn welterweight...... Crawford had just move to 140lbs after winning his first world title at 135lbs. 2016 was the year he re-signed with Top Rank off the promise that he would get a shot at Manny Pacquiao if he was to have a great showing vs Freddie Roach's other fighter......undefeated Viktor Postol, whom Crawford 12-0'ed him and put him on the canvas twice. The following year Crawford won Fighter of the Year for the second time placing him on top of the p4p list......Spence/Crawford didn't even become a thing until 2018 after Crawford had became undisputed and challenged all the champions at 147 as he vacated those titles and moved up.

There was definitely talks of that fight happening in 2016 but then Crawford went to Top Rank and then it was less likely. Crawford was talking about Welterweight fights for a minute. Then when his initial deal with TR was up Spence made the “wrong side of the street” comment when Crawford resigned wit Top Rank. Maybe 16 was too early but it’s still well past it’s prime date now.

If “the money is real” like Broner originally said then he wouldn’t have left to do a thing with Don King and waited to do a fight with them. What’s the difference between one bum or another? He likely saw it was bogus and bounced.

Just my opinion on the Crawford fight pay. I’m a numbers guy and there is no way that fight made a dime if they fronted him $10 million with what it sold at that lower price.
I think he saw the money wasn’t there and went back to Haymon to negotiate. I don’t think Prime will be in any way involved if a Spence/Crawford actually happens.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

There was definitely talks of that fight happening in 2016 but then Crawford went to Top Rank and then it was less likely. Crawford was talking about Welterweight fights for a minute. Then when his initial deal with TR was up Spence made the “wrong side of the street” comment when Crawford resigned wit Top Rank. Maybe 16 was too early but it’s still well past it’s prime date now.

If “the money is real” like Broner originally said then he wouldn’t have left to do a thing with Don King and waited to do a fight with them. What’s the difference between one bum or another? He likely saw it was bogus and bounced.

Just my opinion on the Crawford fight pay. I’m a numbers guy and there is no way that fight made a dime if they fronted him $10 million with what it sold at that lower price.
I think he saw the money wasn’t there and went back to Haymon to negotiate. I don’t think Prime will be in any way involved if a Spence/Crawford actually happens.

No there wasn't.... Nobody was saying **** about a Crawford/Spence fight in 2016..... Spence wasn't even a contender as a welterweight yet.... Crawford was just moving up from 135....FOH.

Crawford mentioned in interviews about moving up leading up to the Indongo fight.... That was the earliest anyone because talking about Crawford vs any welterweight outside of Manny. And the man Crawford originally was calling out was Thurman because at the time Thurman was the man in the division. Spence had just beat a drained Kell Brook to get his title. Thurman beat Danny and Porter...... When Thurman start talking about Crawford needing to prove himself, that's when Spence jumped on board with the same notion because Crawford said he wanted ALL THE CHAMPIONS. And he said it on different platforms as well as in the ring. That was 2017/18.

Crawford didn't "re-sign" with Top Rank in 2018...his original deal wasn't up til the following year..... Crawford signed an extension...There's a difference. And he did this because after the Jeff Horn fight, Top Rank had inked a deal with ESPN to make Crawford's next fight the pilot for the ESPN+ App....thus the Jose Benavidez fight was only offered on that app. Top Rank continued to promise Crawford that they would get him fights with the other champions in the division and when it was clear that PBC wouldn't work with Bob Arum on making that fight happen, Crawford decided to part ways..... If you was an actual Boxing Fan and not a Man Fan, you would see that Crawford's actions was simply him just being professional through the process and leaving a promotional company that couldn't do it's job for him.

You still trying to argue **** about Broner based on your emotions and opinions....I'm not going to repeat myself.... You seem to be stuck in your ways.

Your opinion lacks logic on Crawfords pay.... Crawford didn't sign to BLK Prime. He signed to a fight that BLK Prime funded.... That's how fights use to always be conducted before this new age "Sign with PBC or Golden Boy or Top Rank....." nonsense. Fighters were free to work with whatever promoter got them the fight and money they desired. For example.......Muhammad Ali was originally working with Bob Arum for the Foreman fight until Don King was able to give them a better deal.....

Crawford got his money from BLK..... BLK Prime is not a new company....they are just a company that was trying to include boxing.....and they went after Crawford and Broner to do that...... The announcers, the venue, the marketing.....even the other fighters on the card.......NOTICE.... no one is coming out saying that they are owed money....like how we see people doing with PBC and Top Rank....... BLK paid their bill...... Here's the logic part you are failing at......If Crawford LOST them money......why after the Avaneysan fight, they reached out to him to try to work in a 3 fight deal.....That's documented........... Who pushes to work with someone who causes them to lose money......

Same question for Bob Arum.....he claim to lose so much money, yet even today....damn near 2 years after Crawford left him alone, he's still trying to push for an opportunity to work with Crawford on getting him in the ring with Josh Taylor or someone else he can pull out the shadows...... Crawford was a man who didn't let the business dictate his value... He showed his value in the ring and forced them to pay him for it.... That's BOSS actions...... Meanwhile, ignorant fans are trying to tell that black man that he don't deserve his money as if someone else in the division is more accomplished than he.

[boxingitis]

Ummmm.....lets stop with the crowning of "lightweight" showing the old dogs how things get done...... Truthfully...... Tank is a lightweight who has fought ZERO world champs at the division. Ryan is a lightweight who have fought ZERO world champs at the division. These 2 are part of the huge Hype Machine that is these new fans and YouTube Channels. Tank, Ryan, Haney, Loma, & Teo were suppose to be the wave of lightweights that revived the spirit of boxing yet only 2 of them up to this point had been in the ring with each other...... I love that Shakur is now in the division because we know he wouldn't mind mixing it up with any of them....even though Teo has already jumped to 140 and Haney/Ryan isn't too far behind him.

I agree Crawford outboxes Spence, and I strongly believe that his power is underrated...... I'll also point out that Spence isn't scared to move up to 154 because he started his career there. He moved down after his 10th pro bout in order to become a contender for a world title, thus the reason Thurman lacked respect for him as a potential opponent until he actually won a title. Spence is now trying to move back to his original division because his options at 147 is Crawford/Ennis/Thurman/Ortiz/Stanionis......all who have the ability to hurt and/or beat him..... There are dangerous opponents at 154 as well, but he wouldn't be mandated to face any of them any time soon. Being that Charlo holds the titles, he wouldn't be pressured to face the champ being that both of them share the same trainer.

They are actually fighting each other, Ryan, Tank. Haney, Loma.
Something Spence and Crawford are not doing.
They can fight each other or atleasr Ennis or Ortiz.
Crawford hasn't beaten anyone at Welterweight either.

[champion4ever]

If the CEO doesn't know......

I know. Please no more spin Showtime execs. Just make the damn fight already!

[BodyBagz]

I know. Please no more spin Showtime execs. Just make the damn fight already!

Why are they interviewed anyway ???
Waste of time.

[imisupu]

This fight has been talked about for 5yrs, they literally drawing this out like MAY/PAC problem is neither of them have Money or Pacman fan bases. I don't think either of the fighters understand how bad they hurting boxing, but I figured they would learn a lesson from Joshua/Wilder. There was a time Joshua vs Wilder was the biggest fight out there and they dragged out negotiations arguing over how to split $100m plus, now I don't think the combined purses would be $10m.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

They are actually fighting each other, Ryan, Tank. Haney, Loma.
Something Spence and Crawford are not doing.
They can fight each other or atleasr Ennis or Ortiz.
Crawford hasn't beaten anyone at Welterweight either.

They are fighting each other. Cong****, those fights were just made. Crawford/Spence are a bigger fight being that both are top 5 p4p.... The negotiations are still in works.

Don't bring up Ennis nor Ortiz because both of them have refused to fight Crawford.... Ortiz refused twice WHILE he was Crawford's mandatory for 2 years. Ennis did all that talking about being avoided and not getting a shot and the moment they got the call now all of a sudden...."they are loyal to Showtime" bull**** excuse came out. Ennis and Ortiz won't even fight each other which is an easy fight to put on being that neither are a huge payday nor have titles....but you are giving them more credit than Crawford and Spence......GTFOH.

Ryan and Tank are hyped up to be much larger than they actually are at this point in their career. Zero accomplishments in the division....Ryan has never even won a title in his career. But you are congratulating them on fighting each other......lol. You probably one of the dumb ones to pay damn near $90 for a titleLESS PPV ticket huh....lol.

Haney & Loma is respectable because you have to champions (former in Loma's case) going head to head. But neither of those 2 are p4p nor huge paydays thus their promoters were able to workout the collaboration much easier than Crawford/Spence..... Stop trying to compare **** that isn't close to being parallel.

Crawford hasn't fought anyone at welterweight.....lets me know you are just as dumb as the next Man Fan that claims to be a boxing fan..... Crawford beat the man that beat the man for the WBO......Jeff Horn bullied Manny out of a title only to get smacked around easily by Crawford.... since then Crawford fought top 10 welterweight opponents with the exception of Amir Khan. Jose Benavidez was the #6 welterweight and UNDEFEATED going into the fight. Same with Edigijus Kavaliauskas ranked #6 and undefeated....MANDATORY BOUTS. Kell Brook was #5 welterweight. Shawn Porter was #4 welterweight at the time. David Avaneysan was the #6 welterweight as well. Amir Khan was Crawford's only opponent whom was ranked in the division and that fight only happened because Danny Garcia turned down an official offer to face Crawford for the WBO....he and his father confirmed that they wanted more money yet they didn't send a counter offer. Just moved on, only to fight Spence for less. Manny did the same thing.... demanding $28M during the pandemic when fans weren't allowed in the stadium, when Top Rank agreed, the next week Manny up'ed it to $40M, again, DURING THE PANDEMIC when fans weren't allowed in the seats. Only for him to agree to a $7M guarantee to fight Spence........

That's the facts if you were an actual boxing fan, I don't see how you blame Crawford. But again, some of y'all Man Fans don't know the difference.....

Meanwhile let's look at Spence whom y'all claim to do all the heavy lifting.........Since beating a drained Kell Brook coming off surgery for his first title....he's fought 6x.....3 weren't ranked in the division going into the fight (Peterson, Ocampo, Mikey).......4 didn't have titles (Peterson, Ocampo, Mikey, Danny).....only one was undefeated (Mikey who was a lightweight moving up 2 divisions).....Porter only had a title because he and Danny fought for the same vacated title that they failed to take from Thurman...Thurman was stripped due to inactivity. Ugas only had a title because he was given the title when Manny was stripped for inactivity. He didn't even fight for it....and he defended it vs a 40 year old Manny who had been out of the ring for 2 years due to his politician work... Danny and Ugas both lost to Porter, but Spence was willing to fight them rather than negotiate a unification bout vs Crawford who had been calling for the fight since before he had his first welterweight bout.

Everything I stated is on a timeline and documented...... You are going to respond with emotions and opinions.... Thus there ain't **** else we can discuss. I'm good on pampering emotions in boxing conversations.

[boxingitis]

They are fighting each other. Cong****, those fights were just made. Crawford/Spence are a bigger fight being that both are top 5 p4p.... The negotiations are still in works.

Don't bring up Ennis nor Ortiz because both of them have refused to fight Crawford.... Ortiz refused twice WHILE he was Crawford's mandatory for 2 years. Ennis did all that talking about being avoided and not getting a shot and the moment they got the call now all of a sudden...."they are loyal to Showtime" bull**** excuse came out. Ennis and Ortiz won't even fight each other which is an easy fight to put on being that neither are a huge payday nor have titles....but you are giving them more credit than Crawford and Spence......GTFOH.

Ryan and Tank are hyped up to be much larger than they actually are at this point in their career. Zero accomplishments in the division....Ryan has never even won a title in his career. But you are congratulating them on fighting each other......lol. You probably one of the dumb ones to pay damn near $90 for a titleLESS PPV ticket huh....lol.

Haney & Loma is respectable because you have to champions (former in Loma's case) going head to head. But neither of those 2 are p4p nor huge paydays thus their promoters were able to workout the collaboration much easier than Crawford/Spence..... Stop trying to compare **** that isn't close to being parallel.

Crawford hasn't fought anyone at welterweight.....lets me know you are just as dumb as the next Man Fan that claims to be a boxing fan..... Crawford beat the man that beat the man for the WBO......Jeff Horn bullied Manny out of a title only to get smacked around easily by Crawford.... since then Crawford fought top 10 welterweight opponents with the exception of Amir Khan. Jose Benavidez was the #6 welterweight and UNDEFEATED going into the fight. Same with Edigijus Kavaliauskas ranked #6 and undefeated....MANDATORY BOUTS. Kell Brook was #5 welterweight. Shawn Porter was #4 welterweight at the time. David Avaneysan was the #6 welterweight as well. Amir Khan was Crawford's only opponent whom was ranked in the division and that fight only happened because Danny Garcia turned down an official offer to face Crawford for the WBO....he and his father confirmed that they wanted more money yet they didn't send a counter offer. Just moved on, only to fight Spence for less. Manny did the same thing.... demanding $28M during the pandemic when fans weren't allowed in the stadium, when Top Rank agreed, the next week Manny up'ed it to $40M, again, DURING THE PANDEMIC when fans weren't allowed in the seats. Only for him to agree to a $7M guarantee to fight Spence........

That's the facts if you were an actual boxing fan, I don't see how you blame Crawford. But again, some of y'all Man Fans don't know the difference.....

Meanwhile let's look at Spence whom y'all claim to do all the heavy lifting.........Since beating a drained Kell Brook coming off surgery for his first title....he's fought 6x.....3 weren't ranked in the division going into the fight (Peterson, Ocampo, Mikey).......4 didn't have titles (Peterson, Ocampo, Mikey, Danny).....only one was undefeated (Mikey who was a lightweight moving up 2 divisions).....Porter only had a title because he and Danny fought for the same vacated title that they failed to take from Thurman...Thurman was stripped due to inactivity. Ugas only had a title because he was given the title when Manny was stripped for inactivity. He didn't even fight for it....and he defended it vs a 40 year old Manny who had been out of the ring for 2 years due to his politician work... Danny and Ugas both lost to Porter, but Spence was willing to fight them rather than negotiate a unification bout vs Crawford who had been calling for the fight since before he had his first welterweight bout.

Everything I stated is on a timeline and documented...... You are going to respond with emotions and opinions.... Thus there ain't **** else we can discuss. I'm good on pampering emotions in boxing conversations.

I don't have time to read all this.