Zhang vs. Wilder Would You be Interested?

[NoConcoms]

A hard fact again is Zhang has already proven to be better then Ortiz . It would mean more to Wilder to get a win here and he should but it’s not a give me and it’s a big money fight for Zhang who like Usyk has limits on who he would be a draw with . These guys who don’t speak English hurt their own marketability .

Zhangs reach is very short for his height at only 78 inches so Wilder might just survive a huge shot here ? Speed wise they aren’t much different, if Zhang can take some shots though Wilders in big trouble because he cannot defeat any top guys unless he stops them .

And what exactly proves that Zhang is better than Ortiz? I'd love to know. A win over a protected Joyce who's best win is against Joesph Parker?

Don't take my word for it; Boxrec and various other credible sources don't rate Zhang higher than Ortiz. Even after the Joyce win.

I cannot believe how much stock people are putting in this win over Joyce. Joyce was clearly not that good to begin with.

[hugh grant]

You can go look up who Ortiz beat. And yes, it was an extremely good win for Wilder. Why? Because people knew how dangerous Ortiz was. Andy Ruiz went life and death with him four years later!

I don't think you understand. rankings are a bit, or a lot subjective. Wherever Ortiz was ranked it was probably too high, probably a bit like the ghost guerroes pfp ranking before he fought floyd.
Zhang just destroyed joyce, a man who many thought would beat wilder. Zhang would be wilder best win, wilder would get much more respect beating Zhang coming off of win over Joyce than wilder would ever get for wins over ortiz.
why not just admit that? Why keep underplaying zhang what does it achieve?

[juggernaut666]

And what exactly proves that Zhang is better than Ortiz? I'd love to know. A win over a protected Joyce who's best win is against Joesph Parker?

Don't take my word for it; Boxrec and various other credible sources don't rate Zhang higher than Ortiz. Even after the Joyce win.

I cannot believe how much stock people are putting in this win over Joyce. Joyce was clearly not that good to begin with.

Well who is Ortiz best wins , Jennings ? Who Joyce beat as well maybe Martin ? Do you really think your going to win this argument because I can save you a lot of wasted time here if you really need this explanation? Lol

Parker himself would be some guys best wins including Wilder . Lol

[NoConcoms]

Well who is Ortiz best wins , Jennings ? Who Joyce beat as well maybe Martin ? Do you really think your going to win this argument because I can save you a lot of wasted time here if you really need this explanation? Lol

Parker himself would be some guys best wins including Wilder . Lol

And there is a very reasonable explanation for this; Because around 2017-2018 Ortiz was VERY much avoided. And for good reason; Look at how he did against Andy Ruiz last year. Ruiz's camp clearly thought he was shot, and that nearly ended in disaster. Ortiz was what? 44 years old at the time of that fight?

Ortiz and Zhang box tomorrow, Ortiz will blow his doors off. Ortiz is just far too fundamentally sound. A nightmare of a fight for any HW, even at his advanced age. Don't believe me? Just ask Andy Ruiz.

[juggernaut666]

And there is a very reasonable explanation for this; Because around 2017-2018 Ortiz was VERY much avoided. And for good reason; Look at how he did against Andy Ruiz last year. Ruiz's camp clearly thought he was shot, and that nearly ended in disaster. Ortiz was what? 44 years old at the time of that fight?

Ortiz and Zhang box tomorrow, Ortiz will blow his doors off. Ortiz is just far too fundamentally sound. A nightmare of a fight for any HW, even at his advanced age. Don't believe me? Just ask Andy Ruiz.

You know Ortiz failed his physical the night Wilder was saved by the bell right ?Hes got poor stamina with health issues . He also looked terrible against guys with winning records barring a green Jennings .

He got knocked down 3/4 times I forget against Ruiz so I’m not sure what that proves other then he lost a fight against a legit top 10 guy again ? Yes Ortiz was decent but his best wins are Jennings over 7 years ago so that pretty much stops this foolish comparisons when Joyce has much better resume and wins on his and are actually current where Ortiz last won a meaningful fight awhile back against Martin and was lucky as well ,even got knocked down by a jab in that one but your telling us he’s a nightmare for everyone ?


I do find it humorous though posters like you are still lurking around here spreading the Ortiz myth it’s very comical at least it once again reminds me why this is the most out of touch with reality forum most the time . Lol

[hugh grant]

You know Ortiz failed his physical the night Wilder was saved by the bell right ?Hes got poor stamina with health issues . He also looked terrible against guys with winning records barring a green Jennings .

He got knocked down 3/4 times I forget against Ruiz so I’m not sure what that proves other then he lost a fight against a legit top 10 guy again ? Yes Ortiz was decent but his best wins are Jennings over 7 years ago so that pretty much stops this foolish comparisons when Joyce has much better resume and wins on his and are actually current where Ortiz last won a meaningful fight awhile back against Martin and was lucky as well .


I do find it humorous though posters like you are still lurking around here spreading the Ortiz myth it’s very comical at least it once again reminds me why this is the most out of touch with reality forum most the time . Lol

It bugs me people are still trying to downplay zhang! Zhang beats flip, yet people still downplay zhang. He destriys joyce, yet still downplay zhang? Trying to downplay zhang win over joyce, when fury and wilder were in no rush to fight joyce

[HeadShots]

How would Zhang be Wilder's best win? He's already beaten Luis Ortiz twice, who is UNIVERSALLY ranked higher than Zhang. Keep trying though. Haha.

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Joe Joyce already has a better resume than Wilder.

Hrgovic is going to be a dominant champ as soon as he gets a championship fight. He beats Usyk right now.


Zhang already beat both.

[juggernaut666]

It bugs me people are still trying to downplay zhang! Zhang beats flip, yet people still downplay zhang. He destriys joyce, yet still downplay zhang? Trying to downplay zhang win over joyce, when fury and wilder were in no rush to fight joyce

I just saw a knucklehead stating Zhang is slower then Joyce , except he’s one of the fastest heavyweight’s ?

The forum is just filled with a bunch of ****** people but I guess it’s that charm that makes it fun ? Idk .


Hrgovic landed more punches then Zhang and took over in late rounds ,scored a missed knockdown to ? Even so Hrgovic is the top guy for me outside Usyk and Joshua . Zhang isn’t a top 5 guy that I see but he definitely is over Ortiz ,he’d punish him badly based on Ortiz last few fights . The one detractor is the Forrest fight but he had hypoglycemia problems which caused fatigue . Anywhere outside the top 5 is subjective,I’d put him 6 based off this fight .

[HeadShots]

And what exactly proves that Zhang is better than Ortiz? I'd love to know. A win over a protected Joyce who's best win is against Joesph Parker?

Don't take my word for it; Boxrec and various other credible sources don't rate Zhang higher than Ortiz. Even after the Joyce win.

I cannot believe how much stock people are putting in this win over Joyce. Joyce was clearly not that good to begin with.

Ortiz got his ass beat by 5'10 Obese Ruiz


are you slow?

[NoConcoms]

You know Ortiz failed his physical the night Wilder was saved by the bell right ?Hes got poor stamina with health issues . He also looked terrible against guys with winning records barring a green Jennings .

He got knocked down 3/4 times I forget against Ruiz so I’m not sure what that proves other then he lost a fight against a legit top 10 guy again ? Yes Ortiz was decent but his best wins are Jennings over 7 years ago so that pretty much stops this foolish comparisons when Joyce has much better resume and wins on his and are actually current where Ortiz last won a meaningful fight awhile back against Martin and was lucky as well ,even got knocked down by a jab in that one but your telling us he’s a nightmare for everyone ?


I do find it humorous though posters like you are still lurking around here spreading the Ortiz myth it’s very comical at least it once again reminds me why this is the most out of touch with reality forum most the time . Lol

Ortiz myth? He has stamina issues? Okay, well then explain this to me; If he's a myth, and has stamina issues, the how did he take Ruiz to scorecards of 114-111 (2×) and 113-112? I mean, surely a myth who has stamina issues wouldn't keep things that tight with a guy who had recently held the world hw title......could he?

And who exactly has Joyce beaten? Other than a past it Joesph Parker and another UK hypejob named Daniel Dubois?

Ya see; This is what it ultimately boils down to; The idiotic UK fan base pumping their fighters up, only to see them lose IN ENGLAND. I love it when this happens.

So now, in order to save face, they hitch their wagon to the likes of Zhang to try and save face.

I'll be honest; I really thought they would screw Usyk out of a decision when he boxed AJ's ears off in front of 80,000 Limeys.

This is nothing new. It's been going on since Frank Bruno.