ZZ is Actually a Bad Matchup for Fury....

[JakeTheBoxer]

Luis Ortiz has been shown to be very durable, and Wilder stopped him twice. I will say Joyce is more durable, but not by much. If Joe Joyce's durability is 9/10, then Luis Ortiz would have to be an 8/10.

Look, the bottom line is this; You're failing to be objective here. You are totally dismissing Deontay Wilder, and that isn't fair. Deontay Wilder is still the #3 man at HW. Only Usyk and Fury are ahead of him. Anyone who disputes this is just ignorant or has an agenda.

Wilder would flatten both Joyce or Zhang, and we all know this. In fact, Wilder vs. Zhang is a fight I would very much like to see.

Being stopped by Fury twice doesn`t mean you are N.3. in the world. And I don`t care about him stopping his sparring partner in 1 round.

Wilder and Fury are the biggest hype jobs right now. You can`t just claim they are better than all other guys, while Fury fought Chisora in his last fight and Widler fought Helenius.

[Chollo Vista]

Enough to stop juggernaut Joe Joyce. Who has a better beard than Fury

Stopping someone from an eye injury is different than beating them with a 10 count.

Unless you're banking on Zhang beating Fury via swollen eye?

[Chollo Vista]

exactly Cunningham is a pillow-fisted cruiser. Zhang hits harder than Wilder. Wilder's just been feasting on bums. Fury is not that durable



Who has WIlder stopped that has the durability of Juggernaut? Wilder prob punches as hard as Dubois. there are levels to this. Dubois shots bounced off Juggernaut.


Tyson has never fought a guy his own size. especially with the heavy shots that Zhang will throw.

You're putting way too much emphasis on the eye injury

Are you banking on Zhang winning via eye injury?

He never dropped Joyce. He temporarily wobbled him, that's it. And let's he honest, Joyce isn't necessarily Shakur Stevenson in the defense dept.

Just because those shots landed on Joyce, don't mean they'll land on Fury. Zhang has to set them up. I don't see a high ring IQ from Zang. He's big, yes.

I don't see much speed coming from him. I just don't see how he'll set the shots up to land on Fury. And even if he does land, he still won't put him away. Maybe hurt him temporarily

[NoConcoms]

I don't see much speed coming from him. I just don't see how he'll set the shots up to land on Fury. And even if he does land, he still won't put him away. Maybe hurt him temporarily

He's not landing those shots on Fury. He landed 50% of his power punches on Joyce. He'd be lucky to land 25% against a disciplined Fury.

[NoConcoms]

Wilder and Fury are the biggest hype jobs right now. You can`t just claim they are better than all other guys, while Fury fought Chisora in his last fight and Widler fought Helenius.

You are correct on this point. I'd rate Usyk ahead of both of them. In particular of recent. I don't see how you *couldn't* put Usyk ahead of them since he beat AJ the first time.

That being said, unlike yourself, I am not blind with bias. I can give these men the credit they deserve. I'm not sure you can.

[MikeyMike100]

I really dont think so. Zhangs stamina is still terrible. Fury doesnt just stand right in front of you and throw robotic 1 2s like Joe Joyce with slow hand speed. Fury just has to use some basic footwork and should be able to win a decision easily with a few minor problems during the fight.

[HeadShots]

Stopping someone from an eye injury is different than beating them with a 10 count.

Unless you're banking on Zhang beating Fury via swollen eye?

Joe Joyce's face has never been broken due to punching power. 5X normal bone density Joe Joyce has.


nah he was hurting Joe badly. doing stanking leg more than once.


Joe would've been knocked out by 10th round.






Wilder has never stopped an opponent on Joyce's level. Period.

[HeadShots]

I really dont think so. Zhangs stamina is still terrible. Fury doesnt just stand right in front of you and throw robotic 1 2s like Joe Joyce with slow hand speed. Fury just has to use some basic footwork and should be able to win a decision easily with a few minor problems during the fight.

He could stop Fury before the end. Not the other way around.

[HeadShots]

He's not landing those shots on Fury. He landed 50% of his power punches on Joyce. He'd be lucky to land 25% against a disciplined Fury.

He is landing that straight left. Otto did at will.

He will match Fury's length and size. He's also very skilled.

[NoConcoms]

Wilder has never stopped an opponent on Joyce's level. Period.

Yep. That Luis Ortiz.......nowhere NEAR Joe Joyce's level. LMFNAO.

Joyce was just another overrated hype job from the UK. It's painfully obvious.

So I'll ask again........are you by chance........Chinese?