Joyce should take the immediate rematch with Zhang. I think he wins.

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  • IronDanHamza
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    #31
    Originally posted by War Room

    Based on what though?
    Based on the fact he was 1 point ahead one one card, and one point down on 2 cards.

    On top of that, based on the fact that Zhang was wearing down and getting tired, and slowed down significantly.

    On top of that, based on the fact that the chances of getting that kind of damage to the eye in the rematch is not very likely.

    There's a lot of factors as to how the rematch could be a winnable fight for Joyce.

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      #32
      Originally posted by IronDanHamza

      Based on the fact he was 1 point ahead one one card, and one point down on 2 cards.

      On top of that, based on the fact that Zhang was wearing down and getting tired, and slowed down significantly.

      On top of that, based on the fact that the chances of getting that kind of damage to the eye in the rematch is not very likely.

      There's a lot of factors as to how the rematch could be a winnable fight for Joyce.
      Garcia vs Tank who have you got?

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        #33
        Originally posted by IronDanHamza

        Don't you think without the crazy eye swelling that he could have turned that fight around?

        Bare in mind one judge had him ahead, two others had Zhang just one point ahead.

        Zhang was definitely feeling the pace.
        I agree about the pace getting to Zhang but Joyce just gets hit clean way too much. I'm not comfortable picking him over a fighter that punches like Zhang if he going to get hit that much. If he could avoid at least half of those left hands I could see him wearing Zhang down. But that's a big and unlikely "If."

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        • KingTito
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          #34
          He might as well take the rematch. I'm just not sure what can be done differently. He's slow and doesn't move his head. He's a sitting duck for the left. Outside of not getting a swollen eye, I don't know what else can be done.

          I think Wilder blows his head off.

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            #35
            Originally posted by joseph5620

            I agree about the pace getting to Zhang but Joyce just gets hit clean way too much. I'm not comfortable picking him over a fighter that punches like Zhang if he going to get hit that much. If he could avoid at least half of those left hands I could see him wearing Zhang down. But that's a big and unlikely "If."
            Yeah that’s true. He’ll get hit and he’ll get hurt.

            I still think though if he can avoid that kind of eye damage he can see out the first 6 and take over on the second half.

            Would still expect it to be a close regardless.

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              #36
              Bad stoppage imo considering Joyce is known for his durability and how he breaks people down over time. Yet they stop the fight at the halfway point.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Toffee
                He'll take the rematch because he has no options.

                I think Joyce was shocked that he could be hurt. His punch output in the first two rounds showed that. He **** his pants - which is understandable because he never thought he could be hurt.

                A rematch won't necessarily be different, but at least Joyce now knows he can be hurt. He would come in with the plan to be active throughout, push the piece, and hope he can take Zhang into the later rounds.

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                He was knocked down bad and stopped in less than 40 seconds in the amateurs so it wasn't his first time being hurt, he just cant move his head.
                Last edited by YGriffith; 04-15-2023, 11:42 PM.

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                • sicko
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                  #38
                  Zhang is like 40 so he don't have much time for rematches and all that, he should be looking to cash in on this big Upset with a big match and big opportunity and no I'm not talking about fighting Dillian Whyte or Chisora Hell No, he need to be looking for a shot at Wilder, AJ, Fury, Usyk one of those guys if possible for the most money possible

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by YGriffith

                    He was knocked down bad and stopped in less than 40 seconds in the amateurs so it wasn't his first time being hurt, he just cant move his head.
                    He was also stopped 2 other times in the first round a a 27 year old amateur with headgear so Joyce's chin isn't as good as the clueless casuals (not you I am talking about these other people) think. Joyce has slow hands, which is why he could barely land against Zhang even though Zhang was right in front of him and Joyce has no defense so anybody who throws punches will land them.

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                    • FinitoxDinamita
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                      #40
                      Zhang's sneaky left was landing as expected but he showed signs of fatigue as Joyce started coming on. Zhang was lucky that Joyce's eye closed up cuz he was started to get outworked.

                      Joyce would beat him in a rematch..

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