Comments Thread For: Zhilei Zhang Shocks Joe Joyce, Pounds Him For TKO in Sixth Round

[JakeTheBoxer]

Delusions. Lmfao. Every time you Brits start gawking about a hwt, he gets blasted by some mid tier guy. It never fails.

I agree with you. So what do you say which guy will beat Fury?

I say Zhang, Usyk, Makhmudov, Sanchez all can beat him.

[The Big Dunn]

I agree with you. So what do you say which guy will beat Fury?

I say Zhang, Usyk, Makhmudov, Sanchez all can beat him.

Yo, take Usyk off that list immediately.

I honestly think Fury is going to be the outlier. He may lose to Usyk, who imo is arguably the top p4p in the world.

[Sid-Knee]

Delusions. Lmfao. Every time you Brits start gawking about a hwt, he gets blasted by some mid tier guy. It never fails.

What do you mean, every time? When you take on dangerous opposition and don't go round cherry picking complete scrubs, a loss can occur. Joyce lost due to his eye swelling, not on points or traditional stoppage. Had the eye not gone Joyce would have ground him down and stopped him. He'd already slowed down alarmingly. Joyce was outworking him.

Anyone can have their eye swell up with just a single jab. That's the way it goes sometimes. It doesn't stop Joyce being world class. All your Heavies like i've pointed out to you, lost to every kind of opponent. They lost to journeymen, middleweights, Lightheavies, shot fighters, mid tier. They lost to many nationalities. But you want a narrative because you're bitter. So yes, you're delusional. It's not my fault you don't feature in the division and haven't for the best part of 30 years. Crying isn't going to make it better for you or your fighters.

[The D3vil]

So what's the name of that mighty fine Woman?

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[The Big Dunn]

What do you mean, every time? When you take on dangerous opposition and don't go round cherry picking complete scrubs, a loss can occur. Joyce lost due to his eye swelling, not on points or traditional stoppage. Had the eye not gone Joyce would have ground him down and stopped him. He'd already slowed down alarmingly. Joyce was outworking him.

Anyone can have their eye swell up with just a single jab. That's the way it goes sometimes. It doesn't stop Joyce being world class. All your Heavies like i've pointed out to you, lost to every kind of opponent. They lost to journeymen, middleweights, Lightheavies, shot fighters, mid tier. They lost to many nationalities. But you want a narrative because you're bitter. So yes, you're delusional. It's not my fault you don't feature in the division and haven't for the best part of 30 years. Crying isn't going to make it better for you or your fighters.

Zhang wasn’t dangerous. Joyce is an overrated robot with no head movement.

Im not bitter at all. We have the same discussion every time one of the Brits you over rate gets beaten by a mid tier hwt.

Its inevitable. Just like England choking in the World Cup. That is why youre arguing with me.

As for American hwts. Yes, We aren’t relevant. When you dominate as we have there may be some drop off.

Fury deserves credit. He wasnt scared like AJ to fight Wilder, who is slightly above mid tier.I actually think he breaks the string and doesnt lose to a mid tier bum.

crying is what youre doing because another Brit lost and Dunn is laughing at him and you.

[Sid-Knee]

Zhang wasn’t dangerous. Joyce is an overrated robot with no head movement.

Im not bitter at all. We have the same discussion every time one of the Brits you over rate gets beaten by a mid tier hwt.

Its inevitable. Just like England choking in the World Cup. That is why youre arguing with me.

As for American hwts. Yes, We aren’t relevant. When you dominate as we have there may be some drop off.

Fury deserves credit. He wasnt scared like AJ to fight Wilder, who is slightly above mid tier.I actually think he breaks the string and doesnt lose to a mid tier bum.

crying is what youre doing because another Brit lost and Dunn is laughing at him and you.

You're crying because we acknowledged Joyce as a good fighter. What were we supposed to do, ignore it because you're a bitter idiot who cries if we do? You're running a narrative that losing always happens to "Mid tier" fighters, but the Joshua/Ruiz fight was 4 years ago. That loss had to do with problems in camp. In the Rematch when AJ was good to go he dominated from start to finish. It happens. It's happened to every one of your fighters throughout history practically. With Joyce he was winning but his eye closed. The eye can close on a single jab. Yet, you think losing is happening every other week. You do that because your narcissism needs to feed and you can't through winning yourself. That's where this laughable narrative comes from. It's bitterness through us beating you all the time and you having nothing but jokes. You're spiteful and insecure.

Frazier- Lost to a complete bum in Bonavena and dropped twice. Got the robbery. Beat Ali and that's it. Then got wiped out by Foreman straight away. Frazier is nothing more than a bar-room brawler with one punch. The left hook. But you call him an ATG. He's not. He never was. He's an unskilled brawler who has one win of substance. He was around for 5 minutes before being sent packing. He faced absolute garbage and a Lightheavyweight.

Norton- Beat no one but Ali (There's a theme here with them all beating Ali isn't there) Lost to a journeyman in Young but got a gift. Got wiped out by everyone else. He, like Frazier, did nothing but beat Ali and lose to everyone else. You call him an ATG but he's no such thing. He never was or will ever be.

Liston- Beat only one fighter of credibility in Cleveland Williams. Got the title from a Fighter in Patterson who never beat anyone worth a damn. Not a single world class fighter. Liston then loses to Ali straight away. Liston before all this has a loss to a bum who did nothing but get beat up and knocked out by pretty much other bums. You call him an ATG but he's no such thing. He never was or ever will be.

Ali- Beat Liston, beat nothing but bums and shot fighters, then got hammered by the next fighter who was remotely decent in fringe level Frazier. A Frazier who had no world level credentials and a loss to a bum already. Ali would then fight more bums and shot fighters until he came up against a decent fringe level fighter who also had no world level credentials in Norton. He would lose both fights to Norton but get a gift in the second fight. He would then fight another bum and a finished Frazier who never beat anyone besides Ali in their first fight. He then beat Foreman. More bums would follow until he lost to a journeyman who seemed to beat the so called "Greats" of the era in Young but get another gift. Another bum would follow but so would another loss when faced with someone remotely decent in Norton for a third time. Ali would again get another gift, fight a bum, then get another gift against another fringe level fighter in Shavers who never beat anyone world level. Ali would get yet another gift. Ali would fight only 4 more times after this with 3 of those fights being losses. Yet, he's the greatest and an ATG? Yeah, let's discuss his supposed greatness in great detail and lets see if it stands up top scrutiny. We'll do likewise with the others too.

Foreman- Beat Frazier and Norton but then sent packing by Ali 5 minutes later. Has an up and downer with a fringe level fighter or "Mid tier" if that's what you want to call them in Lyle. He's one punch away from getting KO'd himself. It's just the way the wind blew. He's then dominated by that same journeyman who beat all the other so called greats and dropped. Foreman goes crazy and runs away in his prime like a coward and quits the sport. A real quitter, not an imagined one like you did with AJ in the Ruiz fight.

Louis- Gets dominated and outclassed by a finished Max Shmelling. Fights nothing but bums but then gets dominated by the first world class fighter he comes up against in their actual prime or close to it. Unfortunately, it was a Lightheavyweight who weighed in at a single pound over Super Middle in Billy Conn. Conn, although massively outweighed, would dominate Louis for shlts and giggles and even badly wobbled him later in the fight. But due to wanting to stop Louis and not keeping smart, he got too close and got knocked out whilst winning practically every round.

Do you really need me to go on? It's all your fighters at Heavyweight. They would constantly lose to "Mid tier" fighters. But i do have to laugh at you calling Joyce a robot. Have you not watched Foreman and the likes? They have a lot less skill. As for overrating... do we call Joyce a good fighter or an ATG like you do with these grotesquely overrated fighters? Huh? It's called irony and a lack of self-awareness. It's why i called you delusional. From your position being American, you have absolutely no idea what irony is. We never overrated Joyce. We knew what he was. Acknowledging him as a good fighter is correct. Losing doesn't make you a bum all of a sudden. If that was the case, you've done nothing but produce bums. But at least we don't call them ATG's like you do. But do tell me which of your heavyweights DIDN'T lose to "Mid tier" fighters? List them all.

As for nationalities...

Sweden with Johansson against Patterson.
South Africa with Coetzee against Dokes.
Britain with you know who against you know who. Many times.
Canada with Tommy Burns against many.
Germany with max Shmelling against Louis.
Ukraine with Vitali and Wlad with many.
Russia with Valuev against Ruiz.
New Zealand with Parker and Tua against many.

Do you want me to continue? That's why i called you delusional. That is why i'm laughing at you.

You're mentioning Football now which is a completely different sport? Yeah, you're not bitter and desperate at all. I have no idea why i would think that. Haha. You're a clown who i clown each and every time. Only delusion allows you to think otherwise.

[Sid-Knee]

Zhang wasn’t dangerous. Joyce is an overrated robot with no head movement.

Im not bitter at all. We have the same discussion every time one of the Brits you over rate gets beaten by a mid tier hwt.

Its inevitable. Just like England choking in the World Cup. That is why youre arguing with me.

As for American hwts. Yes, We aren’t relevant. When you dominate as we have there may be some drop off.

Fury deserves credit. He wasnt scared like AJ to fight Wilder, who is slightly above mid tier.I actually think he breaks the string and doesnt lose to a mid tier bum.

crying is what youre doing because another Brit lost and Dunn is laughing at him and you.

You're not going to list all the "Greats" who DIDN'T lose to a mid tier fighter or less? Didn't think so. When it's time to get down to the finer points on comments, Americans run away all the time. Just like your "Fighters" do or when they drain them or have another way to stack the table like a true natural born coward.

You stay bitter and deluded though. The insecurity tells me everything i need to know about you.

[Sid-Knee]

Joyce was rocked various times in the bout kid. Which bout were you watching? Second who has Zhang knocked out in his career? Don't you have to knock out top fighters or at least durable fighters because your power is considered good or great?

Also Butterbean punched faster than Joyce kid. Lol also do you think saying I smoke crack is going to offend me? You are a little 12 year old kid who think you are a boxing expert because you watched Jake Paul box. Get some new material then comeback because nothing you type offends me or even concerns me.

I have no idea why this didn't show up in my notification box. Or maybe the sender can do that in the configuration to make sure the person you're replying to doesn't know. But hey, i've seen it now.

My join date was 8 years ago, kid. When did Jake Paul start fighting? I've also been watching boxing for 30 years and have a vast of knowledge, kid. You look like the moron i knew you were with your comments, kid. Butterbean was an unskilled bum who didn't fight properly as he fought in 4 round freak shows. Against real ranked fighters he'd be beaten silly.

If you don't know the difference between orthodox and southpaw and what problems that can present, then you're someone who hasn't watched much boxing. There's a reason many decades ago it was said that southpaws should have been drowned at birth. Both of their leading feet being on the same side keeps them at a certain distance whereas that doesn't happen when both fighters have the same stance.

How many times was Joyce rocked? Are you sure you're counting right? It's easy to confirm or not if you're talking rubbish.

You have to knock out someone at the top before it's acknowledged if you're a big puncher or not? You mean to tell me you're struggling with this one? He's only fought Hrgovic and Joyce who are recognised fighters. But it's clear he can punch. I mean, do you consider Wilder to be a puncher? If so, who did he stop at the top?

Lastly, i'm 41 years old. Not 12.

[shawnkemp804]

I have no idea why this didn't show up in my notification box. Or maybe the sender can do that in the configuration to make sure the person you're replying to doesn't know. But hey, i've seen it now.

My join date was 8 years ago, kid. When did Jake Paul start fighting? I've also been watching boxing for 30 years and have a vast of knowledge, kid. You look like the moron i knew you were with your comments, kid. Butterbean was an unskilled bum who didn't fight properly as he fought in 4 round freak shows. Against real ranked fighters he'd be beaten silly.

If you don't know the difference between orthodox and southpaw and what problems that can present, then you're someone who hasn't watched much boxing. There's a reason many decades ago it was said that southpaws should have been drowned at birth. Both of their leading feet being on the same side keeps them at a certain distance whereas that doesn't happen when both fighters have the same stance.

How many times was Joyce rocked? Are you sure you're counting right? It's easy to confirm or not if you're talking rubbish.

You have to knock out someone at the top before it's acknowledged if you're a big puncher or not? You mean to tell me you're struggling with this one? He's only fought Hrgovic and Joyce who are recognised fighters. But it's clear he can punch. I mean, do you consider Wilder to be a puncher? If so, who did he stop at the top?

Lastly, i'm 41 years old. Not 12.

Okay little kid. Wilder didn't knock out anybody worth mentioning either. Zhang hasn't knocked out anybody worth mentioning. Zhang is a hard puncher to little 12 year old kids like you who don't understand boxing. Knocking out low level fighters doesn't mean anything. Tye Fields knocked out tons of low level fighters. Is he a hard puncher now? Well you are 12 so you don't know who Tye Fields is. Zhang being a southpaw has nothing to do with how slow Joyce is.

Also little child I never said Butterbean was skilled. Maybe you should ask a adult to teach you how to read. I said Butterbean punched faster than Joyce which is a face. In any case little kid Joyce is 37 years old and has only 16 bouts as a pro. The only person he beat in his career so far was a faded Joe Parker and Daniel Dubois a prospect who was almost knocked out by a cruiser weight in his last fight. Joyce is horrible. He is slow, and has no skill.

But why I am wasting my time talking to a little kid. Let me guess, you think Joe Joyce is a super heavyweight right even though there were countless 6'5 fighters since the 1970's. Let me guess you think Tyson Fury is 6'9 when he clearly isn't. Let me guess you think being a fighter comes in the ring fat it makes him better right? Funny little kid.

[Sid-Knee]

Okay little kid. Wilder didn't knock out anybody worth mentioning either. Zhang hasn't knocked out anybody worth mentioning. Zhang is a hard puncher to little 12 year old kids like you who don't understand boxing. Knocking out low level fighters doesn't mean anything. Tye Fields knocked out tons of low level fighters. Is he a hard puncher now? Well you are 12 so you don't know who Tye Fields is. Zhang being a southpaw has nothing to do with how slow Joyce is.

Also little child I never said Butterbean was skilled. Maybe you should ask a adult to teach you how to read. I said Butterbean punched faster than Joyce which is a face. In any case little kid Joyce is 37 years old and has only 16 bouts as a pro. The only person he beat in his career so far was a faded Joe Parker and Daniel Dubois a prospect who was almost knocked out by a cruiser weight in his last fight. Joyce is horrible. He is slow, and has no skill.

But why I am wasting my time talking to a little kid. Let me guess, you think Joe Joyce is a super heavyweight right even though there were countless 6'5 fighters since the 1970's. Let me guess you think Tyson Fury is 6'9 when he clearly isn't. Let me guess you think being a fighter comes in the ring fat it makes him better right? Funny little kid.

If you believe Wilder isn't a puncher too, at least you're being consistent. They're both punchers as can clearly be seen though. You're on your own with that one. Even on the forum that is nothing but a cesspit.

Do you have a thing for 12 year olds? Or is it just something you tell yourself to feel more comfortable on a intellectual level?

I remember Fields. He was undefeated if i remember correctly when faced with Monte Barrett where he was knocked out. Fields was a scrub. Although not a puncher as such, he had a pretty good punch on him.

Zhang having his lead foot on the same line as Joyce is the very reason why Joyce wasn't as effective. Had Zhang had been orthodox, we wouldn't be having this conversation as Joyce would have beaten him and knocked him out. It's just that Joyce doesn't have the ability to move in then out with speed like a Joshua or a Fury. Joyce had to either be too close to get his jab off but be right on the line for Zhang's straight back hand (Joyce's jab shut down Zhang's Right hook) or be too far outside which leaves him throwing his shots from too far out and falling in wide open. It's the burst of speed that allows someone to achieve that with their feet. Joyce doesn't have that so it's a problem. If it's an orthodox fighter where they both have the same stance and he's at the correct distance as he doesn't have his opponents lead foot on the same line, he then slips in nicely and can actually get a good rhythm going and also move his head a bit. Well enough to be in the dominant position anyway.

You said Butterbean was more skilled than Joyce. He isn't. He's a fat bum who couldn't hack it in a proper professional ring. Joyce would beat the very best version of Butterbean. If you think Butterbean could have beat Jennings, Dubois, Parker or a Takam, then you are the crackhead i think you are. Butterbean gets seriously hurt. By all of them. If he was able to compete on this level, don't you think he would have fought proper fighters for the proper amount of rounds for much bigger money than he was getting? Get a brain, kid.

Dubois had the very same problems with the southpaw position when he got in there with one. It's very different to fighting orthodox fighters you see. Everything is reversed. They don't even read the punches the same way. That's why if you don't have a good feel for them, they can be even more effective being in a southpaw position. Hell, James Toney was wobbled, knocked down and beaten good by a southpaw in Reggie Johnson. Toney just got one of his many gifts though. But the point is, you know how good of a chin Toney had? That's why Johnson had the effect he did. It's the southpaw position. Mayweather hated them. Jones was knocked down and out by two of them in De Valle and Tarver. So get a clue, kid.

Do i think think a Heavyweight who stands at 6'5 or taller in the 70's or at any other time is Super-Heavyweight? Yeah, of course i do. That's the size of a Super-Heavyweight, that's why. Haha. But where did you get the idea to come out with this ****** comment? It's a fallacy you created in your head then cast down in the hope you would come off as more intelligent. But guess what, it's a made up argument from your head. Not something i'm dis*****g.