Comments Thread For: Lomachenko Believes That Jamaine Ortiz Is More Than Capable Of Giving Anyone A Tough Fight

[Cypocryphy]

I’d put him in with Keyshawn tomorrow tbh. I think he’s more than ready for Ortiz.

Really? I'm a huge Keyshawn fan. I'd go to his channel and give him words of support when he was competing in the amateurs, especially against Andy Cruz. But here's the thing that I noticed when he turned pro. When he fought on DAZN, he was getting matched well, and he didn't look so good. I mean he looked good but not great. He struggled a bit in some of those fights. Then he comes to Top Rank, who has some of the best matchmakers in the business as we all know, and all of a sudden he looks "great." But they were throwing him softballs, even guys that never really boxed but were coming from MMA. And now he's all of a sudden "great."

I hope I'm wrong, but I remember his first few pro fights, and I can see how Brad Goodman and Bruce Trampler are moving him. There's a lot of sleight of hand that goes on with the matchmaking. There's a reason why Shakur is fighting Yoshino and not Ortiz. There's a reason!!

[TheOneAboveAll]

I disagree. Ortiz is massively overrated IMO.

Massively overrated by who? Hardly anyone talks Jamaine Ortiz up. In my view, Ortiz demonstrated excellent skills, conditioning and tenacity against Lomachenko. Loma still deserved to win a close decision, but the fight was extremely competitive because, as Loma says, Ortiz is a world class fighter who will go life and death with any LW in the world. Lomachenko may no longer be at the peak of his powers, but, even at 35, he's not going to be the underdog against too many fighters.

[MikeyMike100]

Ortiz is a tough night for anyone but he really didn't do much after the 8th round

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Really? I'm a huge Keyshawn fan. I'd go to his channel and give him words of support when he was competing in the amateurs, especially against Andy Cruz. But here's the thing that I noticed when he turned pro. When he fought on DAZN, he was getting matched well, and he didn't look so good. I mean he looked good but not great. He struggled a bit in some of those fights. Then he comes to Top Rank, who has some of the best matchmakers in the business as we all know, and all of a sudden he looks "great." But they were throwing him softballs, even guys that never really boxed but were coming from MMA. And now he's all of a sudden "great."

I hope I'm wrong, but I remember his first few pro fights, and I can see how Brad Goodman and Bruce Trampler are moving him. There's a lot of sleight of hand that goes on with the matchmaking. There's a reason why Shakur is fighting Yoshino and not Ortiz. There's a reason!!

Keyshawn beats Ortiz clearly. Far better technically, just far more talented.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Massively overrated by who? Hardly anyone talks Jamaine Ortiz up. In my view, Ortiz demonstrated excellent skills, conditioning and tenacity against Lomachenko. Loma still deserved to win a close decision, but the fight was extremely competitive because, as Loma says, Ortiz is a world class fighter who will go life and death with any LW in the world. Lomachenko may no longer be at the peak of his powers, but, even at 35, he's not going to be the underdog against too many fighters.

Ortiz is a world class fighter based on what? Who has he beat?

Adorno gave him hell, is he a world class lightweight too? Have you even seen that fight?

This is what I mean by overrated, so many of you overreacting based off one good performance against a clearly declining fighter in Loma.

[Cypocryphy]

Ortiz is a world class fighter based on what? Who has he beat?

Adorno gave him hell, is he a world class lightweight too? Have you even seen that fight?

This is what I mean by overrated, so many of you overreacting based off one good performance against a clearly declining fighter in Loma.

Adorno caught him, but I wouldn't say that he necessarily gave him hell. I thought it was the other way around. I still stand on that first knockdown being BS. That was a slip. The second knockdown where the ropes held him up was legit. But I just remember Ortiz pushing Adorno around the ring. I think Adorno is a good fighter but struggles against guys who are a lot bigger than him or who know how to fight at range, like Michel Rivera.

Anyway, I'm not going to say that Ortiz beats Keyshawn, but it's definitely possible. What I will say is that Ortiz is not going to be an easy fight for Keyshawn. Those two styles match up well, and that would be an extremely entertaining fight.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Adorno caught him, but I wouldn't say that he necessarily gave him hell. I thought it was the other way around. I still stand on that first knockdown being BS. That was a slip. The second knockdown where the ropes held him up was legit. But I just remember Ortiz pushing Adorno around the ring. I think Adorno is a good fighter but struggles against guys who are a lot bigger than him or who know how to fight at range, like Michel Rivera.

Anyway, I'm not going to say that Ortiz beats Keyshawn, but it's definitely possible. What I will say is that Ortiz is not going to be an easy fight for Keyshawn. Those two styles match up well, and that would be an extremely entertaining fight.

It’s definitely a step up for Keyshawn based on his previous opposition but I definitely think he’s more than capable of taking that sort of step. I think he’s the pick of the bunch out of the most recent US Olympians.

[Cypocryphy]

It’s definitely a step up for Keyshawn based on his previous opposition but I definitely think he’s more than capable of taking that sort of step. I think he’s the pick of the bunch out of the most recent US Olympians.

I definitely agree.

[messi807]

That first knockdown was bull****. Adorno hit him in the back of the head and pushed him down. It was a slip. The second one, however, was a knockdown. But aside from that knockdown, Ortiz kicked Adorno's ass from pillar to post.

And if what you're saying is true, then why is Shakur fighting this Japanese guy who's nothing but a brawler instead of fighting Ortiz, who's been calling out Shakur for a fight since Shakur said he's moving up to 135? Why is that?

You dislike Haney, now you dislike Shakur? Interesting pattern. Ortiz didn't look great against Nahir Albright either, & he looked way worse against Herring than Shakur did..he's average. Maybe ask Bob Arum? Stevenson said he wanted Ortiz as his first fight at 135!

"Shakur fighting this Japanese guy"

Same Japanese guy that KO'd Nakhatani? Ranked #4 in WBC, #7 in WBO and #12 IBF? Sounds like a solid tune-up for his first fight, sh** he has a better win on his resume than Ortiz does at 135 LOL.

[Cypocryphy]

You dislike Haney, now you dislike Shakur? Interesting pattern. Ortiz didn't look great against Nahir Albright either, & he looked way worse against Herring than Shakur did..he's average. Maybe ask Bob Arum? Stevenson said he wanted Ortiz as his first fight at 135!

"Shakur fighting this Japanese guy"

Same Japanese guy that KO'd Nakhatani? Ranked #4 in WBC, #7 in WBO and #12 IBF? Sounds like a solid tune-up for his first fight, sh** he has a better win on his resume than Ortiz does at 135 LOL.

How do you get that I don't like Shakur out of this? What?! Ortiz looked great against Albright. That was the Tyson-Jones undercard, right? Shakur stopped Herring, true, but Ortiz put on a good performance. Plus, Herring can't fight southpaws. By your logic, that means Safikov is better than Stevenson because he kicked Herrings ass worse than Shakur.

Anyway, Nakatani has been through so many wars at this point. The beating he took from Loma ruined him. You don't take a beating like that and come out the same. I also saw that fight, and Nakatani was doing pretty well until he lost his mind and started throwing haymakers because he got pissed. I've never seen Nakatani fight like that before, where he didn't even care about defense.

And no, Shakur never asked for Ortiz. Ortiz has been asking for Shakur, however.