PR vs Mex in Championship Fights: Who won?

[Moonra69]

This is in response to Mexico vs Puerto Rico Thread initiated by Rogue. This is not a flame thread, just something interesting that I hope will provide some thoughtful comments from the members of this board. I contended with Rogue that I’ve read in a newspaper article that PR had the edge in championship bouts vs Mexicans. We decided to do some research to find if this was true. I have to thank rightuppercut for the list of Mexican Champs, which we used, and we used a list posted by a website, Taino Box, to research the PR Champs. The list is in the next posting. We only used for our analysis the four main organizations, WBC, WBO, IBF, and WBA. The results was 41-38-1-1 in favor of Puerto Rico. I took hours of research so please give credit if used. Comments?

[Moonra69]

MEXICAN CHAMPS
JULIO CESAR GONZALEZ : O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Oscar de La Hoya:
vs Trinidad Lost WBC, IBF
Vs Wilfredo Rivera Won WBC
Vs Macho Camancho Won WBC
Vs John John Molina won WBO

Alejandro ' Terra ' Garcia
not found

Guadalupe Aquino C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Raúl'Diamante" Márquez F.I.B No
No T/F vs PR

Luis Ramon ' yoriboy ' Campas F.I.B
vs Daniel Santos Lost WBO

José A. "Mantequilla" Nápoles:
No T/F vs PR

Carlos Palomino C.M.B
Vs Wilfredo Benitez Lost WBC

Pipino Cuevas González A.M.B
Vs Angel Espada Won WBA X 3

Jorge Vaca C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Genaro León O.M.B
Vs Danny Garcia Won WBO

José Luis "Maestrito" López O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Antonio Margarito Montiel O.M.B
Vs Daniel Santos Lost WBO
Vs Daniel Santos NC WBO 1 round cuts
Vs Kermit Cintron Won TKO 5 Retained WBO

José "Battling Shaw" Pérez*
Not Found

René Arredondo C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Julio César Chávez C.M.B, F.I.B
Vs EL Macho Camacho Won WBC
Vs Angel Hernandez Won WBC
Vs Sammy Fuentes Won WBC
Vs Edwin Rosario Won WBA
Va Juan Laporte Won WBC

Carlos "Bolillo" González O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Juan Zurita N.B.A
No T/F vs PR

Lauro "Tigre" Salas N.B.A
No T/F vs PR

Erubey "Chango" Carmona C.M.B
No T/F (record under chango)

Rodolfo "Gato" González C.M.B
No T/F

José Luis Ramírez C.M.B, A.M.B
Vs El Macho Camacho Lost WBC
Vs Edwin Rosario Won WBC Fight of the year
Vs Edwin Rosario Lost WBC

César ' huesitos 'Bazán C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Mauricio Aceves O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Miguel Angel González C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Rafael Ruelas F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

José Luis Castillo C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Javier " Chatito " Jauregui F.I.B
No T/F Against PR

Julio ' The Kid " Diaz F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

Juan " the bull " Diaz
Found one named the baby bull but not mexican

Ricardo Arredondo C.M.B
No T/F Against PR

Rafael "Bazooka" Limón C.M.B
Vs Hector Camacho Lost WBC

Gabriel Ruelas C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Antonio ' monito 'Hernandez A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Jesus ' matador 'Chavez C.M.B
Vs Carlos El Topo Gerena Won WBC

Marco Antonio Barrerra
Vs Orlando Fernandez Won WBO
Vs Daniel La Cobra Jimenez Won WBO

Vicente 'zurdo de oro' Saldivar C.M.B, A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Clemente Sánchez C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Rubén "Púas" Olivares C.M.B, A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Salvador Sánchez C.M.B
Vs Wilfredo Gomez Won WBC
Vs Juan LaPorte Won WBC

Jorge "Maromero" Páez F.I.B, O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Marcos Villasana C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Manuel ' Mantecas ' Medina C.M.B,F.I.B,O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Gregorio 'Goyo ' Vargas C.M.B
Vs Juan Molina Lost IBF

Alejandro "Cobrita" González C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Ultiminio'sugar ' Ramos C.M.B,A.M.B
Not Found

Gustavo "Guty" Espadas Jr. C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Juan Manuel Márquez F.I.B, A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Alberto 'baby ' Arizmendi **
No T/F vs PR

Hector ' papi ' Lizarraga F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

Cesar ' cobrita ' Soto C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Juan "Kid" Meza C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Juan José "Dinamita" Estrada
No T/F vs PR

Enrique Sánchez A.M.B
Vs Rafael Del Valle Won WBA

Néstor "Tigre" Garza A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Óscar " Chololo "Larios C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Israel ' Magnifico " Vasquez F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

Raúl "Ratón" Macias N.B.A
No T/F vs PR

José Becerra N.B.A
No T/F vs PR

Rubén "Púas" Olivares C.M.B, A.M.B


Jesús Castillo C.M.B, A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Rafael Herrera C.M.B, A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Romero "Lacandón" Anaya
No T/F vs PR

Rodolfo Martínez C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Víctor Rabanales C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Alfonso Zamora A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Carlos "Cañas" Zárate C.M.B
Vs Wilfredo Gomez Lost WBC
Vs Andres Hernandez Won WBC

Guadalupe "Grillo" Pintor C.M.B
Vs Wilfredo Gomez Lost WBC

Raúl "Jibaro" Pérez
Vs Wilfredo Vazquez Lost WBA
Vs Wilfredo Vazquez Won 10 rounds Nontitle

Daniel Zaragoza C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Cruz Carbajal O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Rafael Márquez F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

Julio " la sombra " Zarate A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Gilberto Román C.M.B
Vs Juan Carazo Won WBC

Julio César "Navajo" Borboa F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

José Luis Bueno C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

José "Gallito" Quirino O.M.B
Vs Jose Ruiz Won WBO

Diego "Pelucho" Morales O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Fernando Montiel O.M.B
Vs Jose Carita Lopez Won WBO

Martin " el gallito " Castillo A.M.B
Vs Eric "manitas de acero" Morel Won WBA

Ivan " el choko " Hernandez
No T/F vs PR

Efrén "Alacrán" Torres C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Miguel Canto C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Gustavo "Guty" Espadas
No T/F vs PR

Antonio Avelar
No T/F vs PR

Juan Herrera A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Gabriel Bernal C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Isidro Pérez O.M.B
vs Angel Rosario Won WBO
Vs Jose De Jesus Lost WBO

Rubén Sánchez León O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Freddy Castillo
No T/F vs PR

Alberto Jiménez O.M.B
Vs Jose Lopez Won WBO

Isidro García O.M.B
Vs Eric Morel Lost WBA
Vs Eric Morel Lost WBA
Vs Jose Lopez Won WBO

Freddy Castillo
No T/F vs PR

Pedro Flores
No T/F vs PR

Amado Urzua
No T/F vs PR

Guadalupe Madera A.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Germán Torres
No T/F vs PR

Humberto "Chiquita" González C.M.B, F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

Melchor Cob Castro C.M.B, O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Jesús Chong O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Jorge "Travieso" Arce C.M.B, O.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Victor " acorazao " Burgos F.I.B
vs El Nene Sanchez Won IBF

Ricardo "Finito" López F.I.B
Vs El Nene Sanchez Won IBF

Edgar " Tun Tun " Cardenas F.I.B
No T/F vs PR

José Antonio " el jaguar " Aguirre C.M.B
No T/F vs PR

Roberto " Mako " Leyva F.I.B
vs Iron Boy Calderon Lost WBO

Isaac " tortas " Bustos
No T/F vs PR

Puertorican Champs

Sixto 'El Gallito' Escobar
Vs Rodolfo Casanova Won WBT

Carlos Ortiz
Vs Battling Torres Won World Welterwight Champsionship

José L. 'Chegui' Torres
No T/F Against Mex

Angel 'Cholo' Espada
Vs Pipino Cuevas Lost WBA
Vs Pipino Cuevas Lost WBA
vs Pipino Cuevas Lost WBA

Alfredo 'El Salsero' Escalera
Vs Sigfredo Rodriguez Won WBC

Wilfredo 'El Radar' Benitez
Vs Carlos Palomino Won WBC

Esteban 'Vita' De Jesus
Vs Vicente Saldivar Won WBC

Samuel 'Torbellino' Serrano
Vs Mario Martinez Won WBA

Wilfredo 'Bazooka' Gomez
Vs Lupe Pintor Won WBC
Vs Roberto Rubaldino Won WBC
Vs Juan Antonio Lopez Won WBC
Vs Juan Meza Won WBC
Vs Salvador Sanchez Lost WBC
Vs Carlos Zarate Won WBC
Vs Juan Antonio Lopez Won WBC
Vs Raul Tirado Won WBC

Julian Solis
No T/F vs Mex

Carlos 'Sugar' De Leon
Vs Alvaro Yaqui Lopez Won WBC

Osvaldo 'Jaws' Ocasio
Not Found

Juan Laporte
Vs Chavez Lost WBC
Vs Salvador Sanchez Lost WBC

Edwin 'Chapo' Rosario
Vs Chavez Lost WBA
Vs Jose Luis Ramirez Lost WBA
Vs Jose Luis Ramirez Won WBA

Hector 'Macho' Camacho
Vs Oscar de la Hoya Lost WBC
Vs Chavez Lost WBC
Vs Jose Luis Ramirez Won WBC
Vs Rafael Limon Won WBC

Mark Medal
No T/F vs Mex

Harry Arroyo
No T/F vs Mex

Victor 'Luvi' Callejas
No T/F vs Mex

Carlos Santos
No T/F vs Mex

Antonio 'Toñito' Rivera
No T/F vs Mex

Wilfredo 'Wi' Vazquez
No T/F vs Mex

Félix Camacho
No T/F vs Mex

Jose 'Cheito' Ruiz
Vs Jose Quirino Lost WBO
Vs Armando Velasco Won WBO

Jose 'Caguitas' De Jesus
Vs Isidro Perez Won WBO
Vs Fernando Martinez Won WBO

Juan 'John, John' Molina
Vs Oscar de la Hoya Lost WBO
Vs Gregorio Vargas Won IBF
Vs Manuel Medina Won IBF

Orlando 'Cholo' Fernandez
Vs Marco A. Barrera Lost WBO

Juan Nazario
No T/F vs Mex

Santos 'Chino' Cardona
No T/F vs Mex

Josue '****ie' Camacho
Vs Eddie Vallejo Won WBO

Daniel 'Popeye' Garcia
Vs Genaro Leon Lost WBO

Rafael Del Valle
Vs enrique Sanchez Lost WBA

Daniel 'La Cobra' Jimenez
Vs Marco Antonio Barrera Lost WBO

Felix 'Tito' Trinidad
Vs Fernando Vargas Won WBA IBF
Vs Oscar De La Hoya Won WBC IBF
Vs Luis Ramon Campas Won IBF

Alexander 'El nene' Sanchez
Vs Jose Victor Burgos Lost IBF
Vs Jose Victor Burgos Draw IBF
Vs Ricardo Finito Lopez Lost WBC, WBO
Vs Jose Victor Burgos Won WBO
vs Tomas Rivera Won WBO
vs Rafael Orozco Won WBO
vs Oscar Andrade WBO

Jake ' Snake' Rodriguez
No T/F vs Mex

Samuel 'Mangani' Fuentes
Vs Hector Lopez Won WBO
Vs Fidel Avendano Won WBO
Vs Chavez Lost WBC

Angel Manfredy
No T/F vs Mex

Lou Del Valle
Not Found

Angel 'Changuita' Almena
No T/F vs Mex

Daniel Santos
Vs Antonio Margarito NC WBO
Vs Luis Ramon Campas Won WBO
Vs Antonio Margarito won WBO

Eric 'Manitas de Acero' Morel
Vs Isidro Garcia Won WBA
Vs Isidro Garcia Won WBA
Vs Martin "el gallito" Castillo Lost WBA

John 'Quiet Men' Ruiz
No T/F vs Mex

Frank Toledo
Vs Manuel Medina Lost IBF
Vs Marco Antonio Barrera Lost WBO

Nelson Dieppa
Vs Ulises Solis Won WBO

Alexander Trujillo
No T/F vs Mex

Angel "La Avispa" Chacon
Vs Erik Morales Lost WBC

Ivan "Iron Boy" Calderon
Vs Roberto Carlos Leyva Won WBO
Vs LorenzoTrejo Won WBO

Jose Antonio "El Gallo" Rivera
No T/F vs Mex

Manuel Alejandro Siaca
No T/F vs Mex

Miguel Cotto
No T/F vs Mex

[baya]

good job man ... read 'em and weap boys and girls ... pr's up!

[rogue_warrior]

Hmmmmm....quality of oppostion

Okay, i admit i'm shocked to find out that PR has an edge...yet when i look at this closer i see some fatal flaws in the PR champs. Many of the Mexicans beaten in these "championship fights" don't seem worthy of title fights. In fact, i've just looked back at some "championship fights" of these PR champs , and found that many challangers had records way below .500 and not worthy of even being in a title fight. IMO Mexican champs have beaten better PR contenders than vice versa. It seems that a couple of farmers from Chiapas were plucked out to be mandatories to these PR Champs. Yet i'm still impressed by the research! Maybe i'll research this theory later on!

[Moonra69]

One can not say something is fair when it favors you and then unfair when it doesn't. As a boxing fan one may disagree with decisions made but why follow a sport if you don't trust any of its decisions and is so corrupted that can not be trusted. One can argue that the contenders were farmers from Chiapas but the opponents fought whomever the sanctioning body said was worthy of a title shot. If we are going to judge like that then I would have to say that 50% of Chavez opponents had negative records and that there was something fishy when the taylor fight was stopped after being schooled for 12 rounds. Nonetheless, I recognize Chavez as being one of the greatest exponents of the sport.

[Soldier01]

One can not say something is fair when it favors you and then unfair when it doesn't. As a boxing fan one may disagree with decisions made but why follow a sport if you don't trust any of its decisions and is so corrupted that can not be trusted. One can argue that the contenders were farmers from Chiapas but the opponents fought whomever the sanctioning body said was worthy of a title shot. If we are going to judge like that then I would have to say that 50% of Chavez opponents had negative records and that there was something fishy when the taylor fight was stopped after being schooled for 12 rounds. Nonetheless, I recognize Chavez as being one of the greatest exponents of the sport.

WoW, Nicely put Moonra. You seem to be on point.

[morancito]

good job man ... read 'em and weap boys and girls ... pr's up!

It's kind of normal. We've had much more champions, but not all of them have been all that good. Whereas PR has had less champions but with better overall quality.

But this fact remains: in the most important, expected, hyped, fight between a Mexican and a Rican, your all-time best against our all-time best, both in their primes, Salvador Sanchez obliteraded Wilfredo Gomez. Now remember it and weep.

[Run]

good job man ... read 'em and weap boys and girls ... pr's up!

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[straightjab65]

Damn it must hurt that a little island has more talent than a whole country. I can't wait to tell right uppercut because we have this argument all the time. PR's forever.

[IwatchBoxing]

OWNAGE
Did you aslo count the last two PR vs. Mexico fight, in which, two PR's took two Mexicans belts .