Comments Thread For: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois in Talks: London and Manchester Are Options

[hugh grant]

Ordinarily id think this is a good fight. But somehow i think with the knee problem this will be easier for Usyk than it woulod have been. Usyk will manoveure DDD around ring and at some point DDD knee is gonna hurt and then it will be easy.

[James Hunt]

LOL

Usyk is the champion...let him and his promoter give Dubois an offer first. Only if they cannot give a decent offer does it go to Frank or a purse bid.

Purse bids come into play when they can't make the deal themselves, irrelevant to where the money comes from.

[chicken-]

So he should forever more be condemned to getting a tiny share of the split because he accepted skewed terms to face Joshua?

The whole point of his 70/30 rematch offer was that it was what Fury had set as a precedent for the putative first first. If Fury wanted 70/30 to bring his one belt to the table in return for Usyk's 3, then it doesn't seem a ridiculous demand for Usyk to get 70/30 in his favour in the event of a rematch where he would be the undisputed four-belt champion and Fury would be a no-belt challenger coming off a loss.

It is a ridiculous demand because the number of belts you have doesn't determine how many people are willing to pay to watch you fight. Those were not skewed terms vs Joshua, they were fair terms based on their popularity. The same logic can be applied to Usyk/Fury, and under no circumstances can anyone justify a 70/30 split in Usyk's favor regardless of the belts. I also wouldn't consider 30/70 and 50/50 for a rematch "tiny splits". I guess when you look at the numbers in UK vs Saudi they may appear that way and that's ultimately what killed the fight, not the actual splits.

[Monty Fisto]

It is a ridiculous demand because the number of belts you have doesn't determine how many people are willing to pay to watch you fight. Those were not skewed terms vs Joshua, they were fair terms based on their popularity. The same logic can be applied to Usyk/Fury, and under no circumstances can anyone justify a 70/30 split in Usyk's favor regardless of the belts. I also wouldn't consider 30/70 and 50/50 for a rematch "tiny splits". I guess when you look at the numbers in UK vs Saudi they may appear that way and that's ultimately what killed the fight, not the actual splits.

If you have all the belts then you are the champion. Historically, the champion has got the lion's share of the split. Have a word with history if you disagree.

If you say 30/70 isn't a tiny split, then why would Fury not be willing to take it in the event of having lost, having no belts, and coming in as the challenger? Answer: because it's a tiny split.

[chicken-]

If you have all the belts then you are the champion. Historically, the champion has got the lion's share of the split. Have a word with history if you disagree.

If you say 30/70 isn't a tiny split, then why would Fury not be willing to take it in the event of having lost, having no belts, and coming in as the challenger? Answer: because it's a tiny split.

30/70 isn't a tiny split for Usyk, who isn't a large draw and would be making a record high pay day even at that split. Fury on the other hand, is probably the second largest draw in all of boxing behind Canelo, and isn't going to be taking 30/70 for ANY fight. We can talk about what "should" be all we want, but reality is what it is.

Usyk didn't flip the splits in order to fight vs AJ, he was "The Champion" and the rematch was 50/50. Why should Fury agree to less money than AJ got for a rematch if he loses?

[Monty Fisto]

30/70 isn't a tiny split for Usyk, who isn't a large draw and would be making a record high pay day even at that split. Fury on the other hand, is probably the second largest draw in all of boxing behind Canelo, and isn't going to be taking 30/70 for ANY fight. We can talk about what "should" be all we want, but reality is what it is.

Usyk didn't flip the splits in order to fight vs AJ, he was "The Champion" and the rematch was 50/50. Why should Fury agree to less money than AJ got for a rematch if he loses?

Usyk reportedly got $75 million in the Joshua rematch. Are you sure it would have been a record pay day vs Fury with a 30% split? I don't think those numbers add up.