Andre Ward vs Dmitry Bivol at 175 (Hypothetical)

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  • AKAcronym
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    #11
    Ward at 175 wasn't what he was at 168. Bivol's high output and pumping jab would give Ward issues. Kovalev's jab gave Ward issues and his output wasn't even that high. Kovalev had the power advantage but Bivol hits hard enough to get Ward's respect. Ward's output at 175 was pretty low, especially in the Kovalev fights. Bivol was much more agile and naturally athletic compared to Kov. Definitely think Ward has a tough time. He should've lost the first fight, got a **** stoppage the 2nd and only faced Brand and Barrera before that. His 175 "run" wasn't the greatest.

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      #12
      Originally posted by HeadShots

      ward isn't that fast tho which is why he always relegates to clinching. if he had true speed superiority, he wouldn't need to be touched in fights and win easy like Bivol does. this is why he uses Hopkins tactics. Hopkins lost to RJJ/Taylor because he couldn't clinch them as they were faster.

      show me a clip of Ward throwing rapid 10 punch combos on an elite fighter. you can't.

      Bivol is noticeably faster by a margin.
      Ward clinches with CERTAIN STYLES for a reason. Hes very intelligent. Watch the Kessler fight wheres hes fighting a pure boxer. He's fast. Hes very tactical. POOSIES on here who never been in a fight call it dirty. I call it being a WINNER.
      I can say this;
      Ive seen Ward as an amateur at 16yo sparring with a PROFESSIONAL boxer who was 11:0. Wards speed EMBARRASSED him. The professional proceeded to fight very DIRTY, real dirty. Ward didnt cry, complain or act out. He proceeded to fook that guy up with a ruffness that was beyond his years. THATS A FIGHTER. By the way, the professional was 15 pounds bigger. Snivelers stay home. Anyone saying otherwise is a poosey and doesn't belong in the ring. ITS A FIGHT not table tennis.
      Their were times where I ACCIDENTALLY hit someone LOW. I didnt mean too but I never would blame them for retaliating. Why? Cause that sheeit effected you PERMINATELY in a boxing match. Its the only way to make it FAIR.

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      Last edited by MONGOOSE66; 03-25-2023, 12:54 PM.

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        #13
        Bivol dogs Ward. Bigger, faster, stronger.

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        • HeadShots
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          #14
          Originally posted by MONGOOSE66

          Ward clinches with CERTAIN STYLES for a reason. Hes very intelligent. Watch the Kessler fight wheres hes fighting a pure boxer. He's fast. Hes very tactical. POOSIES on here who never been in a fight call it dirty. I call it being a WINNER.
          I can say this;
          Ive seen Ward as an amateur at 16yo sparring with a PROFESSIONAL boxer who was 11:0. Wards speed EMBARRASSED him. The professional proceeded to fight very DIRTY, real dirty. Ward didnt cry, complain or act out. He proceeded to fook that guy up with a ruffness that was beyond his years. THATS A FIGHTER. By the way, the professional was 15 pounds bigger. Snivelers stay home. Anyone saying otherwise is a poosey and doesn't belong in the ring. ITS A FIGHT not table tennis.
          Their were times where I ACCIDENTALLY hit someone LOW. I didnt mean too but I never would blame them for retaliating. Why? Cause that sheeit effected you PERMINATELY in a boxing match. Its the only way to make it FAIR.

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          low IQ take

          Kessler is not fast. lmfao. he got outboxed by Carl Froch. LMFAO

          Ward clinches guys who are better boxers and are faster. eg Kovalev, Bika etc.

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            #15
            Originally posted by HeadShots

            low IQ take

            Kessler is not fast. lmfao. he got outboxed by Carl Froch. LMFAO

            Ward clinches guys who are better boxers and are faster. eg Kovalev, Bika etc.
            Kelssler was a boxer. Boxers can use “speed” or “timing” to work their boxing angle. Froch got MAULED by Ward. Ward used more “ finesse” with Kessler. Look up the word TACTICS. Ward had a wonderful tool box. He also had his favorite tools. Cause they worked. Holyfield used similar tools plus headbutts LOL. Theirs counters to BOTH of these tactics. Unfortunately boxers are dumb

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              #16
              Originally posted by MONGOOSE66

              Kelssler was a boxer. Boxers can use “speed” or “timing” to work their boxing angle. Froch got MAULED by Ward. Ward used more “ finesse” with Kessler. Look up the word TACTICS. Ward had a wonderful tool box. He also had his favorite tools. Cause they worked. Holyfield used similar tools plus headbutts LOL. Theirs counters to BOTH of these tactics. Unfortunately boxers are dumb

              stop watching boxing


              Kessler got out-boxed by Carl 2 left feet Froch.


              you don't know what you're watching.

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              • MONGOOSE66
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                #17
                Originally posted by HeadShots


                stop watching boxing


                Kessler got out-boxed by Carl 2 left feet Froch.


                you don't know what you're watching.
                Carl used “timing”. Notice he rarely moved forward. Dont worry young lady. Not everyone understands the dynamics of boxing.

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                • Madison Boxing
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                  bivol would win. ward wasnt very impressive against kovalev at all, i think he retired early because he knew if he stayed around 175 too long his 0 was going to go (it should have gone already in that first fight and he cheated in the second). i know USA prides itself as the mecca of boxing away from the corruption of uk/germany etc but the stuff they let ward get away was unbelievable, his fights resembled a hybrid mma/boxing rules match

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by The Madison
                    bivol would win. ward wasnt very impressive against kovalev at all, i think he retired early because he knew if he stayed around 175 too long his 0 was going to go (it should have gone already in that first fight and he cheated in the second). i know USA prides itself as the mecca of boxing away from the corruption of uk/germany etc but the stuff they let ward get away was unbelievable, his fights resembled a hybrid mma/boxing rules match
                    - - Wart is DQed under UFC rules.

                    DQed under boxing rules but for his paid refs.

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