Heart is the most overrated aspect in boxing

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

This is heart and nothing but heart. What these two men leave in the ring is beyond human....if you don't believe in heart, you don't understand boxing, fighting or any other sport that takes you tot he physical and mental level.

[King Flawless]

This is heart and nothing but heart. What these two men leave in the ring is beyond human....if you don't believe in heart, you don't understand boxing, fighting or any other sport that takes you tot he physical and mental level.

That's NOT heart but ******ity. Why is he fighting in a way that he KNOWS that will hurt him. Willingly get punched in the face is NOT HEART

[King Flawless]

and you dont need heart to go through months of training. Manny Pacquiao is arguably the best p4p fighter in the world and dude has done at least 50% of it on pure heart. I beat you mayweather has tons of heart but his skill camoflauges it man. only thing with floyd is that i think he actually purposively sets himself up to take criticism, it helps him look like a bad guy and sells tickets.

Floyd is tough. He fought Castllo with a tore shoulder muscles. That is called being mentally strong and tough. Heart had nothing to do with it

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I was about to post how much I agreed with you until I read the bolded part.

I agree that heart is overrated. Having heart does not make you a talented fighter, just look at Gatti. It can also shorten your career, and even end if your life if you're not too careful. It's also sad when people talk **** endlessly about a fighter who quits because he realizes he will not win, or because he has taken more punishment than he'd like. It's your life and health in there, and you have the right (and quite frankly, the obligation) to protect it.

However, heart IS a quality that has helped people who have it overcome adversity that certain individuals wouldn't. That example is a perfect one. Pavlik WAS hurt, we saw him flying around from Taylor's shots after he got up from the KD. It was his desire to win and his confidence in himself that convinced him to go out for more, to believe that he still had a shot. We all saw how well that turned out for him.

I'll also say that what might appear to be similar situations are actually completely different. Let's take Vargas, one of my all-time favorite fighters. He got knocked down 3 times in the last round vs. Tito. He was losing the fight on the cards, and had virtually no chance of winning. That almost pathological need to prove he had heart ended up costing him his career. Why did he get up after every KD, all of which were BRUTAL and would've layed most other JMWs on a stretcher? Because of his need to prove to himself and his fans that we could go the distance. This might be honorable to some, but it's just plain ****** to me. The minimal "rewards" are not worth the risk, and the consequences could be fatal.

Oh man, you just don't get it do you....

Let me let you in on something that's a "Mexican thing" that you will probably never understand but I will tell you anyway.

Vargas didn't quit because he wanted to "prove" he had heart. See, we don't care what the world sees of us, we don't care about bragging rights and talking **** and blowing our chest out.

Arreola didn't quit because how can you look at yourself in the face and wonder if you could really win or not. Because like someone famously said, "it's not over till it's over". That's why you don't quit...

You never know what will happen in a fight and I have seen fighters with much better skill, lose to a fighter that wouldn't be denied.

Now you may think that's ****** but I think it shows the will and testament of a people and how they have persevered over centuries of always having to fight for what they want.

It's called "La Lucha", the struggle.....

I wouldn't expect people to understand that and that's cool but I have more respect in Arreola's loss to Mayweather's win. Why? Because Mayweather was fighting an outmatched man, Arreola was outmatched as well but refused to go backwards and never quit.

Arreola can look at himself in the mirror and say I gave it my all. That's not easy and many fighter QUIT instead of staring that in the face.

[Roxas]

I see what u saying Flawless I think heart is still an important thing to have but its definitely overrated there needs to be heart WITH skill/talent....(JMM is a perfect example of that)

[Fulcrum29]

Oh man, you just don't get it do you....

Let me let you in on something that's a "Mexican thing" that you will probably never understand but I will tell you anyway.

Vargas didn't quit because he wanted to "prove" he had heart. See, we don't care what the world sees of us, we don't care about bragging rights and talking **** and blowing our chest out.

Arreola didn't quit because how can you look at yourself in the face and wonder if you could really win or not. Because like someone famously said, "it's not over till it's over". That's why you don't quit...

You never know what will happen in a fight and I have seen fighters with much better skill, lose to a fighter that wouldn't be denied.

Now you may think that's ****** but I think it shows the will and testament of a people and how they have persevered over centuries of always having to fight for what they want.

It's called "La Lucha", the struggle.....

I wouldn't expect people to understand that and that's cool but I have more respect in Arreola's loss to Mayweather's win. Why? Because Mayweather was fighting an outmatched man, Arreola was outmatched as well but refused to go backwards and never quit.

Arreola can look at himself in the mirror and say I gave it my all. That's not easy and many fighter QUIT instead of staring that in the face.

Don't worry bout these ****s. There's a reason they don't even understand the CONCEPT of heart. Cus they don't have any themselves. After all, would someone who has ZERO heart ever know what it is? Does a blind person know what sight is?
Let them be ignorant, and when a tough situation comes their way let them be the first to run.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

That's NOT heart but ******ity. Why is he fighting in a way that he KNOWS that will hurt him. Willingly get punched in the face is NOT HEART

Willingly getting hit? Damn dude, how long you been watching boxing? They weren't willingly getting hit, they were just dead tired and couldn't get out of the way of the shots but HEART kept them throwing.
The easy thing would have been to take a knee or quit.....*** that.

Don't worry bout these ****s. There's a reason they don't even understand the CONCEPT of heart. Cus they don't have any themselves. After all, would someone who has ZERO heart ever know what it is? Does a blind person know what sight is?
Let them be ignorant, and when a tough situation comes their way let them be the first to run.

Yea you are right......................pointless.

[NachoMan]

Don't worry bout these ****s. There's a reason they don't even understand the CONCEPT of heart. Cus they don't have any themselves. After all, would someone who has ZERO heart ever know what it is? Does a blind person know what sight is?
Let them be ignorant, and when a tough situation comes their way let them be the first to run.

Yes. Now can we close this monumentally ****** thread? No need to throw more pearls before this swine. Just look at this tool's avatar. Sure looks like a bad ass fighter to me. Btw, King, please don't post any more photos of yourself flexing your guns in Army PT's. You embarrass the rest of us vets.

[tito yuca]

I wouldn't expect people to understand that and that's cool but I have more respect in Arreola's loss to Mayweather's win. Why? Because Mayweather was fighting an outmatched man, Arreola was outmatched as well but refused to go backwards and never quit.

Arreola can look at himself in the mirror and say I gave it my all. That's not easy and many fighter QUIT instead of staring that in the face.

This shows what I think is wrong with the Mexican mentality when it comes to boxing. Floyd gave a masterful display of skills, yet you believe getting punched a million times is more deserving of praise. You guys totally miss the point. Winning is the objective of every type of competition. Floyd won in the most convincing, dominating way possible, and Arreola lost in a completely one-sided match. You also miss the point of what boxing is supposed to be. You train for years to develop your skills, so you saying that you respect a fighter who showed little skill more than another one who showed peerless skill is just irrational.

Arreola can look at himself in the mirror and say I gave it my all. That's not easy and many fighter QUIT instead of staring that in the face.

Look, I respect Arreola for his will to win, but this is BOXING. It's not like basketball, were "not quitting" means just running harder and ****. In here it means getting your brains bashed in, which can, and HAS lead to dementia and DEATH. This is why I say it IS ****** to go on fighting when you are getting beat up to the point that it's impossible that you'll win.

[tito yuca]

Vargas didn't quit because he wanted to "prove" he had heart. See, we don't care what the world sees of us, we don't care about bragging rights and talking **** and blowing our chest out.

When I said "prove" I didn't mean only to other people, in fact, more than anything, I believe he needed to prove to HIMSELF that he'd go the distance.

You say this is a "Mexican thing" I can't understand, well, trying to protect yourself and your health is a HUMAN thing, and I expect you to understand this. Vargas had so much talent, and was never the same after the fight. He would've had a longer career if he just accepted that he was going to lose. Morales did this in his last fight against Pacquiao. He was already ruined from refusing to quit in countless other wars, but this move served his brain and his body well.